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  • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Oh, look, more over-the-top rhetoric from Starlight. Have you figured out that doubling down on the rhetoric fails to impress us yet? Blatant misrepresentation like the above isn't working too well, either.
    Well, seeing as how he's gotten basic history and Biblical interpretation wrong on a fairly regular basis, I see little reason to believe his claims.

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    • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      You're entitled to your opinion, but it's flat wrong (on a number of levels). As much as I think Trump has a penchant for scoring own goals, he is no way rationalizing and defending White Nationalism.
      Well he is actually, by his false equivalence between the White Supremacists whose goal is ethnic cleansing, and those who protest these goals.
      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        Well he is actually, by his false equivalence between the White Supremacists whose goal is ethnic cleansing, and those who protest these goals.
        No, he's not. This is the same kind of balderdash nonsense liberals scream when a conservative says ALL lives matter. Even though it's clearly factually true (or should be), it's a concept people like you are simply incapable of processing.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by seer View Post
          Yes, I think erasing history is always a bad thing, the fact is no one even noticed these statues five years ago, and giving the pitiful education in this country most people couldn't tell you the difference between Lee and Grant, most people probably don't even know what the Civil war was about. These were not monuments of discrimination, they were basically non entities, until the left decided to use them for political ends and to induce chaos and hatred.


          https://www.goacta.org/news/survey_h...war_took_place

          http://www.npr.org/sections/theproto...tough-question
          Exactly. Who notices most statues these days except for saying let's meet by that statue near the north entrance of the park?

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • Originally posted by psstein View Post
            Well, seeing as how he's gotten basic history and Biblical interpretation wrong on a fairly regular basis, I see little reason to believe his claims.
            B-but, but, he says he's done extensive research and is a self-proclaimed expert.
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            Actual practicing Christians both who I know personally in my life, and know on many web forums, know that I'm an expert on the subjects of Christian theology and history and biblical interpretation, and regularly compliment me for my knowledge.

            IMHBAO, he's a Google scholar who studiously scans for sources that agree with what he thinks, if even that.
            Last edited by rogue06; 08-20-2017, 09:42 PM.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              No, he's not. This is the same kind of balderdash nonsense liberals scream when a conservative says ALL lives matter. Even though it's clearly factually true (or should be), it's a concept people like you are simply incapable of processing.
              It’s precisely because ALL lives matter that the statue honouring a man, for whom only white lives matter, needs to be removed. As New Orleans mayor Mitch Landrieu said, as he ordered the removal of Lee’s statue from his city: “these monuments celebrate a fictional, sanitised Confederacy.”

              Trump is unable to distinguish between Nazi values and those who protest those values. An American killed on American soil by a Nazi, as occurred in Charlottesville, is not acceptable.
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • Originally posted by psstein View Post
                Well, seeing as how he's gotten basic history and Biblical interpretation wrong on a fairly regular basis
                You morons keep repeating that false claim, without ever being able to supply a single example. It doesn't become true just by repetition.

                If I recall correctly, the only time you and I have had a serious disagreement here on history / biblical interpretation was when I floated a hypothetical that the precursors of gnosticism might have been more present in NT Christianity than is generally accepted. You threw a childish tantrum, started insulting me, and couldn't seem to mentally cope with the hypothetical. Apart from that I often find myself agreeing with or amening things you write on biblical topics in the Apologetics forum, though your posts in the Civics forum seem to be consistently absurd.
                Last edited by Starlight; 08-20-2017, 10:35 PM.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                  What is this book and where can it be found? You can't just toss out a claim like that without specifying what your book actually was.
                  LOL. You don't get to tell me what I can and can't do.

                  As it happens I wish to keep my personal details private. Revealing a particular book I'd authored would run rather contrary to that. And I have zero interest in trying to market the book to the small and antagonistic audience on this site.

                  Rather, I am trying to point out that when Sparko tells me there's such a thing as 'orthodoxy' and 'heresy' and seems to think he's nailing it by informing ignorant little me of something I previously didn't know... I'm actually facepalming because I would run circles around Sparko in terms of knowing what different Christian groups throughout history thought were orthodox and heretical views, and could tell you why they thought that, what their main arguments were etc.

                  As it happens I rarely discuss theology/biblical interpretation/christian history etc on this site these days (I once did under a different username years ago, and no I'm not telling you what it was), in part because this particular forum restricts the theological sub-forums to Christians-only, in part because there's only about 2 posters here who I judge have sufficient expertise to be worth my time talking to so different forums are a better choice, and in part because the reason I'm here is because I'm fascinated by how insane conservative US politics is compared to the rest of the Western world and this forum has a high concentration of conservative US posters.

                  And yet, somehow, despite the fact that I barely discuss theology / biblical interpretation / christian history, there's a bizarre talking point among conservative posters here that I have no clue on the topics, which seems to be grounded in them confusing disagreement and ignorance. It's fascinating. To repeat:

                  Originally posted by Charles View Post
                  Originally posted by Starlight
                  Failure to agree with their version of Christianity is creatively reinterpreted as lack of knowledge about their version of Christianity. It's one of the many ongoing absurdities on this site.
                  1 very big truth presented in very few words.
                  Last edited by Starlight; 08-20-2017, 10:55 PM.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                    Well he is actually, by his false equivalence between the White Supremacists whose goal is ethnic cleansing, and those who protest these goals.
                    The problem with your point is that in the case at hand "those who protest these goals" are violent anti Americans also interested in ethnic cleansing.
                    Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      LOL. You don't get to tell me what I can and can't do.

                      As it happens I wish to keep my personal details private. Revealing a particular book I'd authored would run rather contrary to that. And I have zero interest in trying to market the book to the small and antagonistic audience on this site.

                      Rather, I am trying to point out that when Sparko tells me there's such a thing as 'orthodoxy' and 'heresy' and seems to think he's nailing it by informing ignorant little me of something I previously didn't know... I'm actually facepalming because I would run circles around Sparko in terms of knowing what different Christian groups throughout history thought were orthodox and heretical views, and could tell you why they thought that, what their main arguments were etc.

                      As it happens I rarely discuss theology/biblical interpretation/christian history etc on this site these days (I once did under a different username years ago, and no I'm not telling you what it was), in part because this particular forum restricts the theological sub-forums to Christians-only, in part because there's only about 2 posters here who I judge have sufficient expertise to be worth my time talking to so different forums are a better choice, and in part because the reason I'm here is because I'm fascinated by how insane conservative US politics is compared to the rest of the Western world and this forum has a high concentration of conservative US posters.

                      And yet, somehow, despite the fact that I barely discuss theology / biblical interpretation / christian history, there's a bizarre talking point among conservative posters here that I have no clue on the topics, which seems to be grounded in them confusing disagreement and ignorance. It's fascinating. To repeat:
                      Apologetics 301 is open to everyone which you well know since you post there.

                      And while I can understand your desire to preserve your anonymity you should realize that throwing out claims like you did and then hesitating to back them up will naturally result in folks taking what you say with a rather large grain of salt.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                        The problem with your point is that in the case at hand "those who protest these goals"
                        "These goals” were demanded by Trump supporters storming the streets of the Charlottesville with Tiki torches while giving Nazi salutes as they shouted ‘Blood and soil’ (a Nazi Germany era slogan) and ‘Jews will not replace us!’. Are these "goals" not worth protesting? I think so.

                        are violent anti Americans also interested in ethnic cleansing.
                        Oh really. Who are these "violent anti-Americans" interested in ethnic cleansing? Trump’s business forum which disbanded after Trump’s appalling Tuesday press conference, or the long list of Law-Makers from both sides who have condemned Trump for giving White Supremacists an unequivocal boost? To the extent that David Duke thanked him.

                        Larry" Fink, CEO of BlackRock said: “The events that occurred in Charlottesville are nothing short of domestic terrorism. Such racism and bigotry must not just be condemned, but must be condemned unequivocally,” he said.
                        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                        • Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                          LOL. You don't get to tell me what I can and can't do.

                          As it happens I wish to keep my personal details private. Revealing a particular book I'd authored would run rather contrary to that. And I have zero interest in trying to market the book to the small and antagonistic audience on this site.

                          Rather, I am trying to point out that when Sparko tells me there's such a thing as 'orthodoxy' and 'heresy' and seems to think he's nailing it by informing ignorant little me of something I previously didn't know... I'm actually facepalming because I would run circles around Sparko in terms of knowing what different Christian groups throughout history thought were orthodox and heretical views, and could tell you why they thought that, what their main arguments were etc.

                          As it happens I rarely discuss theology/biblical interpretation/christian history etc on this site these days (I once did under a different username years ago, and no I'm not telling you what it was), in part because this particular forum restricts the theological sub-forums to Christians-only, in part because there's only about 2 posters here who I judge have sufficient expertise to be worth my time talking to so different forums are a better choice, and in part because the reason I'm here is because I'm fascinated by how insane conservative US politics is compared to the rest of the Western world and this forum has a high concentration of conservative US posters.

                          And yet, somehow, despite the fact that I barely discuss theology / biblical interpretation / christian history, there's a bizarre talking point among conservative posters here that I have no clue on the topics, which seems to be grounded in them confusing disagreement and ignorance. It's fascinating. To repeat:
                          I don't know who you think you're fooling, but we've seen your arguments, and they almost always turn out to be wildly inaccurate, wildly exaggerated, or so far out on the edges of mainstream scholarship and Christian thought that they barely even qualify as fringe.

                          Oh, but I do love how evidence of your supposed expertise is conveniently inaccessible.

                          "I wrote a book!" (But I won't tell you which because I want to maintain my anonymity.)

                          "I could run circles around you if only I was allowed to post in certain forums!" (Even though there are plenty of forums here where non-Christians are allowed to post.)

                          "I'm regularly complimented for my expertise in other forums!" (But good luck getting me to post any links to backup my claims.)

                          "I used to display my expertise on this website but under a different name!" (No, I won't tell you what that name was.)

                          Sorry, kiddo, but nobody here is impressed by empty boasts. Skeptics who claim to know more about Christianity than the Christians they're debating are a dime a dozen, and even that's overcharging.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            It’s precisely because ALL lives matter
                            Yeah, I double dog DARE you to say that at a BLM rally! Your liberal buddies would beat the living crap out of you. You are SUCH a freakin hypocrite.

                            that the statue honouring a man, for whom only white lives matter, needs to be removed.
                            Wow, you really have it bad.

                            As New Orleans mayor Mitch Landrieu said, as he ordered the removal of Lee’s statue from his city: “these monuments celebrate a fictional, sanitised Confederacy.”
                            Oh, you mean THIS RACE COWARD?

                            Mitch-White-Supremacist-768x768.jpg

                            You need to do a better job selecting your heroes, Tassy - the guy is as phony as you are.

                            Trump is unable to distinguish between Nazi values and those who protest those values. An American killed on American soil by a Nazi, as occurred in Charlottesville, is not acceptable.
                            Hey, superhypocrite --- round up all your $1, $20, $50 and $100 bills and send them to me, because they depict SLAVE OWNERS on them! I will properly dispose of them for you.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              This is a good example of you delusionally assuming that someone who doesn't agree with your opinion must therefore be ignorant of your opinion, and you delusionally equating your personal opinion with 'Christianity'.



                              While I am sure there are plenty of denomination-specific discussion groups, there are plenty of open discussion forums.
                              We didn't just make up a set of essential doctrines, dimwit. They have been the essential doctrines of Christianity since the council of Nicea. You on the other hand believe anyone who says they are a Christian are one, no matter what they actually believe. We had a "Christian Atheist" on here once. I bet you would believe he was a Christian too.

                              And we don't stop ANYONE from joining tweb and participating here as long as they behave. We might have rules that only orthodox Christians can set their faith tag to "Christian" but that doesn't stop them from joining or participating here. We don't "run them off" any more than we have run you off because we disagree with you.

                              This egotistical belief of yours that YOU are the arbiter of what is Christian and claiming to always be right is what I was laughing at earlier.

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                              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                                Well he is actually, by his false equivalence between the White Supremacists whose goal is ethnic cleansing, and those who protest these goals.
                                Nobody, especially Trump is against people protesting White supremacists. They are against using violence against white supremacists, or anyone else.

                                You can disagree with someone but that doesn't give you the right to beat them up. That is battery. It is illegal. Peaceful protest is fine and welcomed.

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