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  • #91
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Is this your "black people are dumb and uneducated" theory of race?
    Flashback time!!!

    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Apparently [African Americans] have a known tendency to be politically underinformed
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    It was the African American vote that won it for her. She got upwards of 80% of their vote in some states IIRC...
    her supporters are lombomized simpletons. She literally talks like she's talking to children because she basically is.
    I can agree with this part
    Prog projecting racism of his again, surprise!!!
    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Is this your "black people are dumb and uneducated" theory of race?
      No, read the link, only about 12% of young people have any grasp of history. Blacks and others don't know because this stuff is not being taught, and hasn't been for years. Heck here is another link:http://www.nbcnews.com/id/43397386/n.../#.WZY361GQzIU
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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      • #93
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
        The leaders who were slave owners, for the most part, never saw a problem with what they did so their legacy is different. I wouldn't say different in the sense that it undoes all the good they ever did but it is a mixed legacy to be sure.
        If progs win, grandchildren of yours will spit on graves of yours, also disavow you, so they won't be sent to gulag!!
        Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
          Prog projecting racism of his again, surprise!!!
          Your level of interest in my posts and views is flattering.

          Pity you don't seem to understand my points.
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            I am aware of the history behind it. It doesn't stop it being demeaning and insulting to black people today.
            It was demeaning to the blacks of that time, it has no bearing on blacks today. To sat that is totally ignorant.
            Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              *low energy non-denial*
              Sad!!!
              Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                I would say that its counting of black people as 3/5ths of a person is a more obvious example of one of the evils of the US constitution, and a good reason as to why the entire document should be burned and replaced from scratch with a new constitution. Unfortunately the US is currently strongly divided between the sane and the insane, so that's not possible in the current political climate.
                Woeful ignorance on display

                The "three-fifths" clause has nothing to do with the idea that black slaves were being described as 3/5 of a white person or a statement about personhood. The North did not want to count slaves when it came to gaining representation in Congress since the South considered slaves to be property and would not benefit from an increase in representation. It was an anti-slavery measure the purpose of which was to limit the power of the slave-holding states.

                As the Constitutional expert Robert Allen Goldwin put it
                "The struggle that took place in the convention was between the Southern delegates trying to strengthen the constitutional supports for slavery and the Northern delegates trying to weaken them."

                IOW, the goal of the Northern delegates was to dilute Southern voting strength so as to outlaw slavery by constitutional means. It had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the worth of a person but was designed to diminish the power of the pro-slavery Southern states.

                So James Wilson of Pennsylvania, who was staunchly anti-slavery, came up with the 3/5 compromise where slaves would count as "three-fifths" of a person for the purpose of determining how many Congressmen they got.

                Again from Goldwin:
                "The point is that the “three-fifths clause” had nothing at all to do with measuring the human worth of blacks. Northern delegates did not want black slaves included, not because they thought them unworthy of being counted, but because they wanted to weaken the slaveholding power in Congress. Southern delegates wanted every slave to count “equally with the Whites,” not because they wanted to proclaim that black slaves were human beings on an equal footing with free white persons, but because they wanted to increase the pro-slavery voting power in Congress. The humanity of blacks was not the subject of the three-fifths clause; voting power in Congress was the subject."

                If the slaves had been counted the slave-holding states would have held more seats in Congress than the free states. In 1793, the total count of representatives was 105. With a full representation for slavery, the slave states would have had 56, leaving the free states with 49. Thanks to the compromise they only got 47 seats instead and were in the minority.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Projection much?

                  I am aware of the history behind it. It doesn't stop it being demeaning and insulting to black people today.
                  Translation: I was wrong but will never admit it because if folks remain ignorant about it they can still manage to be offended.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Woeful ignorance on display
                    Yep. Your ignorance of the fact that other people have studied history too is on full display.

                    BTW, I don't agree with your implicit assumption that the historical facts surrounding that piece of the constitution necessarily ought to affect the way that African Americans today feel about their country's history of slavery and racism and their consequent feelings when they see that piece of the constitution speaking of their ancestors as being 3/5ths of a person, since the notion of slaves being 3/5ths of a person has become proverbial (and symbolically reflects the demeaning way that blacks were historically treated in America, even if the '3/5ths' thing itself was pro-black at the time).
                    Last edited by Starlight; 08-18-2017, 04:18 AM.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Yep. Your ignorance of the fact that other people have studied history too is on full display.
                      That obviously does not include yourself or you would have never made the idiotic claim like
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      I would say that its counting of black people as 3/5ths of a person is a more obvious example of one of the evils of the US constitution, and a good reason as to why the entire document should be burned and replaced from scratch with a new constitution.

                      And you wonder why people point and laugh at you when you start trying to tell us about the U.S.

                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      BTW, I don't agree with your implicit assumption that the historical facts surrounding that piece of the constitution necessarily ought to affect the way that African Americans today feel about their country's history of slavery and racism and their consequent feelings when they see that piece of the constitution speaking of their ancestors as being 3/5ths of a person, since the notion of slaves being 3/5ths of a person has become proverbial (and symbolically reflects the demeaning way that blacks were historically treated in America, even if the '3/5ths' thing itself was pro-black at the time).
                      So you think we should just make up something and then get upset over that?

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        That obviously does not include yourself or you would have never made the idiotic claim like
                        ~facepalm~ The stupid is off the meter. You don't seem psychologically equipped to cope with the fact that somebody else can be informed about the historical facts but have a different opinion to you about their implications for today.

                        And you wonder why people point and laugh at you when you start trying to tell us about the U.S.
                        I don't wonder: The US conservatives here are just that stupid, and generally incredibly unaware of their own country's history, politics, and position on the international stage.

                        So you think we should just make up something and then get upset over that?
                        The US's history of racism, slavery, and oppression of black people isn't made up. The 3/5ths idea is proverbially symbolic of that. The precise historical origin of the 3/5ths itself is beside the point.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Yep. Your ignorance of the fact that other people have studied history too is on full display.

                          BTW, I don't agree with your implicit assumption that the historical facts surrounding that piece of the constitution necessarily ought to affect the way that African Americans today feel about their country's history of slavery and racism and their consequent feelings when they see that piece of the constitution speaking of their ancestors as being 3/5ths of a person, since the notion of slaves being 3/5ths of a person has become proverbial (and symbolically reflects the demeaning way that blacks were historically treated in America, even if the '3/5ths' thing itself was pro-black at the time).
                          Source: http://www.theroot.com/slavery-by-the-numbers-1790874492

                          17. “Over a million Europeans were held as slaves from the 1530s through the 1780s in Africa, and hundreds of thousands were kept as slaves by the Ottomans in eastern Europe and Asia,” writes Alan Gallay in his essay “Indian Slavery in the Americas” for the Gilder Lehrman Institute. “In 1650,” Gallay adds, “more English were enslaved in Africa than Africans enslaved in English colonies.”

                          © Copyright Original Source



                          Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_contemporary_Africa

                          Slavery in the Sahel region (and to a lesser extent the Horn of Africa), exist along the racial and cultural boundary of Arabized Berbers in the north and darker Africans in the south.[1] Slavery in the Sahel states of Mauritania, Mali, Niger, Chad and Sudan in particular, continues a centuries-old pattern of hereditary servitude. Other forms of traditional slavery exist in parts of Ghana, Benin, Togo and Nigeria. There are other, non-traditional forms of slavery in Africa today, mostly involving human trafficking and the enslavement of child soldiers and child labourers, e.g. human trafficking in Angola, and human trafficking of children from Togo, Benin and Nigeria to Gabon and Cameroon

                          © Copyright Original Source



                          The slave trade in Africa and the Middle East existed long before European involvement, and continues until now - pretty much unabated. Meanwhile, European based cultures have realised that slavery is unacceptable, and have abandoned the practice. So - no moral high ground historically for anyone. How should modern day Americans of African ancestry feel about their ancestors being sold as slaves by Africans and to Europeans and Americans?
                          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                          Scripture before Tradition:
                          but that won't prevent others from
                          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                          of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                          • Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                            Yep. Your ignorance of the fact that other people have studied history too is on full display.

                            BTW, I don't agree with your implicit assumption that the historical facts surrounding that piece of the constitution necessarily ought to affect the way that African Americans today feel about their country's history of slavery and racism and their consequent feelings when they see that piece of the constitution speaking of their ancestors as being 3/5ths of a person, since the notion of slaves being 3/5ths of a person has become proverbial (and symbolically reflects the demeaning way that blacks were historically treated in America, even if the '3/5ths' thing itself was pro-black at the time).
                            So you're saying that blacks in America should remain as ignorant as you. Nevermind the fact that slavery was widely accepted throughout the world at the time, and this was the first major piece of legislation that was explicitly intended to limit the power of slave owners with the ultimate goal of outlawing slavery.

                            To put it another way, without the three-fifths compromise, there would never have been an Emancipation Proclamation.

                            But, no, you just want to self-righteously beat your chest while crowing your ignorance for all to hear.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                              Source: http://www.theroot.com/slavery-by-the-numbers-1790874492

                              17. “Over a million Europeans were held as slaves from the 1530s through the 1780s in Africa, and hundreds of thousands were kept as slaves by the Ottomans in eastern Europe and Asia,” writes Alan Gallay in his essay “Indian Slavery in the Americas” for the Gilder Lehrman Institute. “In 1650,” Gallay adds, “more English were enslaved in Africa than Africans enslaved in English colonies.”

                              © Copyright Original Source



                              Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_contemporary_Africa

                              Slavery in the Sahel region (and to a lesser extent the Horn of Africa), exist along the racial and cultural boundary of Arabized Berbers in the north and darker Africans in the south.[1] Slavery in the Sahel states of Mauritania, Mali, Niger, Chad and Sudan in particular, continues a centuries-old pattern of hereditary servitude. Other forms of traditional slavery exist in parts of Ghana, Benin, Togo and Nigeria. There are other, non-traditional forms of slavery in Africa today, mostly involving human trafficking and the enslavement of child soldiers and child labourers, e.g. human trafficking in Angola, and human trafficking of children from Togo, Benin and Nigeria to Gabon and Cameroon

                              © Copyright Original Source



                              The slave trade in Africa and the Middle East existed long before European involvement, and continues until now - pretty much unabated. Meanwhile, European based cultures have realised that slavery is unacceptable, and have abandoned the practice. So - no moral high ground historically for anyone. How should modern day Americans of African ancestry feel about their ancestors being sold as slaves by Africans and to Europeans and Americans?
                              Ironically the nation of Liberia, which was created by freed slaves who returned to Africa from America (along with a small number from Carribean islands), engaged in chattel slavery to force the native population to work on their farms even though slavery was explicitly illegal.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                Projection much?
                                Mayhaps the reason you say this so much is because you are the one actually doing this?

                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                It's standard conservative projection.
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post

                                Quite a lot of projection you've got going there.
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                It's projection. The conservatives....
                                Originally posted by Starlight
                                Your silly rant full of projection...
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                You people are so full of projection it's hilarious.
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                ...As usual with conservatives it's projection all the way.
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                It seems to be projection all the way down with Trump.
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                ... so he does a loooot of projection in this forum by accusing other people's morality of being arbitrary.
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                ...they tend toward being (a) not very smart, (b) very emotional, (c) having a strong tendency towards projection...
                                Originally posted by Starlight
                                Is this psychological projection ...
                                Originally posted by Starlight
                                ...you guys use this response as projection...
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                Projection at its finest methinks.
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                As a reminder of the level of hypocrisy and projection ....
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                More than a little bit of projection here, methinks.
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                ... Basically it's mostly projection -....
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                Projection.
                                How bout getting with JimL and let him teach you a new word. Perhaps "ergo".
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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