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  • Originally posted by Charles View Post
    Which completely misses the point. You cannot say what Christians as a group believe because Christians believe quite many different things. But you can say what a particular Christian thinks if you have got knowledge about their interpretation.
    Starlight was telling us what Christians as a group believe.

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    • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      Wow, what devastating proof you bring.
      It's self-evident. There are Christians on this board who have been rationalising and defending White Nationalism as propounded by Trump and the Alt-Right, values that appal many Christians and non-Christians alike in the real world.
      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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      • Originally posted by Charles View Post
        You cannot say what Christians as a group believe because Christians believe quite many different things. But you can say what a particular Christian thinks if you have got knowledge about their interpretation.
        Yup, pretty much. What tends to happen is, because I've studied the history of Christian theology (I wrote a book on it) and am thus pretty informed about what various Christian groups at various times thought, I will make some comment referring to some particular historical teaching that was prominent at a particular time... and the conservatives here who seem to be largely ignorant of any Christian teachings beyond what they grew up with in their local church will basically respond with "No, that's not at all what my pastor taught me!" and convince themselves I therefore know nothing about Christianity as a result. It's quite comical.

        A similar thing happens any time I mention what I think to be the correct interpretation of a biblical passage on the balance of evidence, and it happens to be different to the one that they learned at their church. Because if I prefer an interpretation they've never heard of, it must be because I'm ignorant and don't know about the interpretation they were taught in their church. Failure to agree with their version of Christianity is creatively reinterpreted as lack of knowledge about their version of Christianity. It's one of the many ongoing absurdities on this site.
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Failure to agree with their version of Christianity is creatively reinterpreted as lack of knowledge about their version of Christianity. It's one of the many ongoing absurdities on this site.
          I very big truth presented in very few words.
          "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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          • Originally posted by Charles View Post
            Which completely misses the point. You cannot say what Christians as a group believe because Christians believe quite many different things. But you can say what a particular Christian thinks if you have got knowledge about their interpretation.
            Starlight has a habit of pontificating on, for instance, basic Christian doctrine and being told he's got it wrong from Christians of different denominations from all over the world. The latter is important because he has dismissed criticism in the past as being only what American Christians believe.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • The cultural cleansing goes on....

              Confederate Monuments Removed Or Vandalized Across US

              http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/08/18/c...ed-vandalized/
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                Starlight was telling us what Christians as a group believe.
                It's like me explaining the thought processes of women.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  It's like me explaining the thought processes of women.
                  I'm not even sure women can explain their own thought processes.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                    I've studied the history of Christian theology...
                    You're like a man who insists the moon is made out of green cheese and then defends his ignorance by claiming to have studied astronomy. It beggars belief that someone could earnestly research a subject yet remain so uninformed.

                    Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                    ...I wrote a book on it...
                    I'd love to read it some time. I could use a good laugh.

                    Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                    A similar thing happens any time I mention what I think to be the correct interpretation of a biblical passage on the balance of evidence, and it happens to be different to the one that they learned at their church. Because if I prefer an interpretation they've never heard of, it must be because I'm ignorant and don't know about the interpretation they were taught in their church.
                    No, what happens is that you will reference a fringe view that is widely rejected by scholars and theologians, both contemporary and ancient, but insist against all evidence to the contrary that it's really mainstream. Then when we explain to you why your views are incorrect and cite relevant scholarship, you'll retreat to your "But I've studied this! No, really!" defense, and then we laugh at you.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      Starlight has a habit of pontificating on, for instance, basic Christian doctrine
                      This utterly bizarre claim seems to have become a talking-point among conservatives on this site. Can you give a single example of it happening?
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        No, what happens is that you will reference a fringe view that is widely rejected by scholars and theologians, both contemporary and ancient, but insist against all evidence to the contrary that it's really mainstream. Then when we explain to you why your views are incorrect and cite relevant scholarship, you'll retreat to your "But I've studied this! No, really!" defense, and then we laugh at you.
                        This is coming from a man that has championed some of the most absurd political and scientific conspiracies I've ever heard, and will believe ANYTHING written by a source if it leans conservative. I swear, Brietbart could write an article that Donald Trump pisses liquid gold in the morning, and you'd believe it.

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                        • Originally posted by Sea of braindead View Post
                          This is coming from a man that has championed some of the most absurd political and scientific conspiracies I've ever heard, and will believe ANYTHING written by a source if it leans conservative. I swear, Brietbart could write an article that Donald Trump pisses liquid gold in the morning, and you'd believe it.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • Originally posted by Charles View Post
                            If it was not for the fact that most of my friends are actually Christians and would disagree with most of what you [Sparko] say then perhaps that would make sense.
                            The Christians on this site are fairly efficient at persecuting any Christians who hold dissenting views enough to make them leave this site. I've seen it happen numerous times.

                            As a result there is a high amount of conformity among the Christians who remain on this site. But they don't seem to realize how much of a bubble they've created for themselves. The fact that a few Christians from a few other denominations and countries manage to pass their ideological purity tests and post here, convinces them that their particular views of Christianity are globally held and convinces them that they can't be in a bubble here.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              The Christians on this site are fairly efficient at persecuting any Christians who hold dissenting views enough to make them leave this site. I've seen it happen numerous times.

                              As a result there is a high amount of conformity among the Christians who remain on this site. But they don't seem to realize how much of a bubble they've created for themselves. The fact that a few Christians from a few other denominations and countries manage to pass their ideological purity tests and post here, convinces them that their particular views of Christianity are globally held and convinces them that they can't be in a bubble here.
                              right. that's why we have futurists, preterists, YEC, OEC, theistic evolutionists, liberals, conservatives, protestants, eastern orthodox, methodist, and catholics on our Staff.
                              Last edited by Sparko; 08-19-2017, 07:46 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                right. that's why we have futurists, preterists, YEC, OEC, theistic evolutionists, liberals, conservatives, protestants, eastern orthodox, methodist, and catholics on our Staff.
                                You forgot Episcopalian...
                                I am Punkinhead.

                                "I have missed you, Oh Grand High Priestess of the Order of the Stirring Pot"

                                ~ Cow Poke aka CP aka Creacher aka ke7ejx's apprentice....

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