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[Sparko]

Yes. They banned abortion among Aryans. They imprisoned those who sought or performed one. Didn't you know?

They also forced abortions on anyone whom they deemed unfit to give birth or was defective in any way and sterilized them and often experimented on them and killed them and dissected fetuses. So no, I would not call them pro-life.

[Bill the Cat]

TWebber’s such as MM and you support Trump and Trump is supported by the KKK and neo-Nazis. The latter was recognised by those on all sides of politics who distanced themselves from Trump over his moral equivalency stance, whilst the Twebber's continue to defend it. Interesting!

TWebber’s such as Jimmy and you supported Obama and Obama was supported by Vester Lee Flanagan, who murdered Allison Parker and Adam Ward on air. Guilt by Association for the win!!!

[Bill the Cat]

Yes. They banned abortion among Aryans. They imprisoned those who sought or performed one. Didn't you know?

No they didn't.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Germany

Nazi Germany's eugenics laws liberalized abortion for both Aryan and non-Aryan women. Aryan women could obtain an abortion simply by demonstrating that either parent had an hereditary defect or that the child would be born with a congenital defect.

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[Roy]

They also forced abortions on anyone whom they deemed unfit to give birth or was defective in any way and sterilized them and often experimented on them and killed them and dissected fetuses. So no, I would not call them pro-life.

That's because you consider Jews, Romanies and other non-Aryans to be humans, not degenerate subhumans.

[Roy]

Yes. They banned abortion among Aryans. They imprisoned those who sought or performed one. Didn't you know?

No they didn't.

Hmmm, you're right, they didn't imprison them, they executed them.

Source: ibid

In Nazi Germany, the penalties for abortion were increased again. In 1943, providing an abortion to an "Aryan" woman became a capital offense.

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AFAIK many pro-lifers allow exceptions if the mother's life is endangered or the foetus is deformed, so the above exceptions wouldn't stop the Nazi position from being essentially pro-life.

[Sparko]

That's because you consider Jews, Romanies and other non-Aryans to be humans, not degenerate subhumans.

nice attempt at rationalizing it. But to characterize Nazi Germany as Pro-Life is ridiculous. They didn't care about saving lives or even if the fetus was a person or not. They just wanted to perfect their master race. Force women to give birth to Aryan ubermench and destroy any that were defective. Eugenics is not "pro-life" - it is selective breeding.

[Roy]

nice attempt at rationalizing it.

Thank you

But to characterize Nazi Germany as Pro-Life is ridiculous. They didn't care about saving lives or even if the fetus was a person or not. They just wanted to perfect their master race. Force women to give birth to Aryan ubermench and destroy any that were defective. Eugenics is not "pro-life" - it is selective breeding.

Sure, their rationale was different (though I doubt the rationale behind modern pro-life views is consistent enough for this to matter), but the result was the same - abortion of German babies was illegal.

There were some unexpected side-effects though. Without Nazi eugenics, we'd never have had Mama Mia.

[Sparko]

Thank you Sure, their rationale was different (though I doubt the rationale behind modern pro-life views is consistent enough for this to matter), but the result was the same - abortion of German babies was illegal.

There were some unexpected side-effects though. Without Nazi eugenics, we'd never have had Mama Mia.

Pro-life is about protecting fetuses because they are people. Because human life is important. To try to apply the label to a utilitarian eugenics program is, quite frankly, abhorrent.

[rogue06]

Thank you Sure, their rationale was different (though I doubt the rationale behind modern pro-life views is consistent enough for this to matter), but the result was the same - abortion of German babies was illegal.

There were some unexpected side-effects though. Without Nazi eugenics, we'd never have had Mama Mia.

While abortion of babies by healthy German women were illegal, that was not the case when it came to German women who were less healthy. Hardly the pro-Life position. What's more women in countries they conquered, especially in Eastern Europe, were strongly "encouraged" to have an abortion when they got pregnant (in Poland, where abortion had been illegal, their campaign was called Auswahlfeiheit: "Freedom of Choice"). Again, hardly the pro-Life position.

To characterize Nazi Germany as pro-Life is to distort reality into a pretzel shape.

[Mountain Man]

TWebber’s such as MM and you support Trump and Trump is supported by the KKK and neo-Nazis.

This is a classic example of bad logic.

P1: A is a B.
P2: A is also a C.
C: Therefore, all Bs are Cs.

Invalid argument!

[Sparko]

This is a classic example of bad logic.

P1: A is a B.
P2: A is also a C.
C: Therefore, all Bs are Cs.

Invalid argument!

Tassy isn't trying to use logic. He wouldn't know logic if it bit him on the butt. He is just tossing out accusations and insults. I wonder if Charles will chide him for it? Where is the tweb Nanny when you need him?

[rogue06]

TWebber’s such as MM and you support Trump and Trump is supported by the KKK and neo-Nazis. The latter was recognised by those on all sides of politics who distanced themselves from Trump over his moral equivalency stance, whilst the Twebber's continue to defend it. Interesting!

TWebber's such as JimL and you supported Obama and Hillary and Obama and Hillary were supported by the communists^[1], who are responsible for the genocidal murder of tens of millions (Stalin's purges and Holodomor, Mao's Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, Pol Pot's Killing Fields). Liberal Twebber's support mass murder on the grand scale. Interesting!






1. The Democrats have moved so far to the left in recent years that the communists no longer run a candidate for president but instead endorse the Democrat's nominee.

[Sparko]

TWebber's such as JimL and you supported Obama and Hillary and Obama and Hillary were supported by the communists^[1], who are responsible for the genocidal murder of tens of millions (Stalin's purges and Holodomor, Mao's Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, Pol Pot's Killing Fields). Liberal Twebber's support mass murder on the grand scale. Interesting!






1. The Democrats have moved so far to the left in recent years that the communists no longer run a candidate for president but instead endorse the Democrat's nominee.

And, Tassman and Charles and JimL support Starlight who has gone on the record as supporting infanticide! That means they support infancticide too! They want to go around killing infants! The horror!

[Jedidiah]

Yes. They banned abortion among Aryans. They imprisoned those who sought or performed one. Didn't you know?

Well that is sort of pro-life.

[Mountain Man]

Yes. They banned abortion among Aryans. They imprisoned those who sought or performed one. Didn't you know?

That's because you consider Jews, Romanies and other non-Aryans to be humans, not degenerate subhumans.

I can't tell if you're doing a poor job playing devil's advocate, or if you really think this is valid reasoning.