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  • #31
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I'm not sure what they think erasing history will accomplish.

    Next thing you know, they're going to want to tear up the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution because they were written by white slave owners.
    Seems to me they pretty much did that already.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      I'm not sure what they think erasing history will accomplish.

      Next thing you know, they're going to want to tear up the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution because they were written by white slave owners.
      Fun fact: Jefferson's draft of the declaration of independence included the abolition of slavery and declared it one of the many evils of the British monarchy.


      The US's sucky constitution obviously does need a replacement though. I suggest you guys copy Canada's new one, as that seems to be widely approved by experts and has been copied by several other countries around the world.
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      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #33
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        They're not intending to erase history. They think that the statues and other commemorations they're removing celebrate people whose flaws outweigh their good, so they should no longer be celebrated.
        Of course they should not be celebrated any more than the likes of Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini. They are not “celebrated” today with statues and whatever, they’re reviled. Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson were all were about seceding from the Union in order to retain slavery. This is not something to be honoured or celebrated?
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        • #34
          Also, conservatives here ought to remember they are against losers getting participation trophies.
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Tassman View Post
            Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson were all were about seceding from the Union
            The conservatives in this forum seem to hate America while claiming to love it: Seer can't get over the fact that a couple of counter-protesters flew a communist flag because it's "anti-american", yet he supports the honoring and celebration of traitors to the US who started a civil war to secede from the nation, and supports the alt-right protesters at Charlottesville some of whom were flying Nazi flags (which strikes me as inherently more anti-american than communist flags because in WWII the US literally fought the Nazis and was allied with the communists).
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              The conservatives in this forum seem to hate America while claiming to love it: Seer can't get over the fact that a couple of counter-protesters flew a communist flag because it's "anti-american", yet he supports the honoring and celebration of traitors to the US who started a civil war to secede from the nation, and supports the alt-right protesters at Charlottesville some of whom were flying Nazi flags (which strikes me as inherently more anti-american than communist flags because in WWII the US literally fought the Nazis and was allied with the communists).
              First Star, I do not support Nazis or the KKK, I do support their right to protest. Second, Communism is anti-american. Third, yes I do want to preserve history, the good and the bad. Remember people like Lee and Jeff Davis thought the North was violating the Constitution, not the other way around. Fourth, if you give the left an inch they will take a mile, I have no problem with moving these statues in principle - but how long before they go after Washington or Jefferson because they were slave owners as were the majority of the Signers. We are already going that way...
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                Also, conservatives here ought to remember they are against losers getting participation trophies.
                No one here thinks the statues being removed are participation trophies.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                  No one here thinks the statues being removed are participation trophies.
                  That seems self-evidently false given I am calling them participation trophies.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    That seems self-evidently false given I am calling them participation trophies.
                    No one with a modicum of understanding calls them participation trophies. Is that better?

                    Of course, you calling them participation trophies doesn't mean that you think they are, but whatever.
                    Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      I think statues celebrating confederate figures should be moved out of public urban spaces and into museums. It is offensive to both blacks and American patriots to be publicly celebrating people who fought a war against America to maintain the practice of slavery. Having statues of such people in public urban spaces is inappropriate, and historical museums are the correct place for such statues where people can go to learn about the history.

                      The Stone Mountain is a case where nothing needs to be done IMO - it is already in an out-of-the-way location (people are not being forced to walk past it daily like they are with a monument in a public square) and is essentially a 'museum' already.
                      You must be back on your meds. Not saying I agree with you entirely, but at least this sounded well reasoned.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        You must be back on your meds. Not saying I agree with you entirely, but at least this sounded well reasoned.
                        This is why I suspect that whole removal of statues thing. First go back five or ten years, not one was talking about this, no one seemed to care, no one was triggered. Why now? Second, the left will not stop at Confederate statues there are all ready rumblings about Thomas Jefferson: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...624-story.html

                        Washington and the majority of Signers who were slave owners won't be far behind...
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #42
                          Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.


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                          • #43
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                            Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                            • #44
                              Triggered by Lady Gaga, of all people
                              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                              .
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                              Scripture before Tradition:
                              but that won't prevent others from
                              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                              of the right to call yourself Christian.

                              ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                                No one with a modicum of understanding calls them participation trophies. Is that better?
                                Well you've improved it from a post that was self-refuting to a post that is merely false, so I guess that's an improvement? Maybe next time you'll improve to merely mostly-false?
                                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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