Abrams calls for removal of Confederate faces off Stone Mountain

[Starlight]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]23708[/ATTACH]

MLK Jr wasn't against same-sex marriage.

But the more general point is a valid one: Great people of the past will all have had the failings that were present in their culture, and it's reasonable to respect them in spite of that. So congrats for achieving mostly-false, with a side of relevant point.

The important difference being: Are they famous for fighting to improve the culture they lived in like MLK Jr, or are they famous for fighting to preserve the terrible parts of their culture like slavery?

[Darth Executor]

http://web.archive.org/web/201602281...ut-gay-people/

“I am a boy,” an anonymous writer told King. “But I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do?”

In calm, pastoral tones, King told the boy that his problem wasn’t uncommon, but required “careful attention.”

“The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired,” King wrote. “You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve it.”

MLK considered homosexuality a problem and told the boy he was on the right road towards a solution.

[CMD]

http://web.archive.org/web/201602281...ut-gay-people/



MLK considered homosexuality a problem and told the boy he was on the right road towards a solution.

Oh man, if a modern conservative had said anything close to that, he'd be called a homophobic bigot, there'd be a concerted effort to get him fired from his job, and he'd have numerous death threats sent his way.

[demi-conservative]

No, not what I said, care to try again?

Why? You think it very very bad that he defended homeland and people!

[One Bad Pig]

Well you've improved it from a post that was self-refuting to a post that is merely false, so I guess that's an improvement? Maybe next time you'll improve to merely mostly-false?

I'll concede your point if you can find ONE instance where someone argued at the time the statues, et al. were commissioned that they were being given for participation.

Your move.

[rogue06]

These people won't stop until the Jefferson Memorial is gone too... This will not end well...

Al Sharpton, one-time candidate for the presidential nomination for the Democrats and host of a show on MSNBC, has done exactly that just two days ago on Charlie Rose's PBS show.

First Stone Mountain. Next Mount Rushmore where two slave-owning president's faces are carved.

Personally, I see little difference between what is going on and the Taliban destroying those Buddhist carvings in Afghanistan.

[rogue06]

MLK Jr wasn't against same-sex marriage.

You're right in that it wasn't even on the radar while he was alive. Yet, he did say that homosexuality was, in his words, a "problem" (a "culturally acquired" one at that) for which there was a "solution."

[KingsGambit]

Personally, I see little difference between what is going on and the Taliban destroying those Buddhist carvings in Afghanistan.

I think we had a discussion about this a few weeks ago but I feel a tad uncomfortable condemning that as a Christian.

[rogue06]

I think we had a discussion about this a few weeks ago but I feel a tad uncomfortable condemning that as a Christian.

I really don't care all that much about the various statues dedicated to various Confederate leaders or soldiers. My ancestors fought for the Union and were involved in Sherman's march to the sea (burning the city that I know live outside of). In some ways these statues are like glorified participation trophies^[1]. But Stone Mountain is more like a work of art and the comparison to what the Taliban did (or more recently what ISIS has done in places like Mosul) is, IMHBAO, a fair one.

Further, it won't stop there. As noted, you already have folks like Sharpton, demanding that the Jefferson memorial be taken down or at the least defunded. The Washington memorial and Mount Rushmore cannot be far behind.







1. I heard that a couple days ago somewhere and liked it.

[KingsGambit]

I really don't care all that much about the various statues dedicated to various Confederate leaders or soldiers. My ancestors fought for the Union and were involved in Sherman's march to the sea (burning the city that I know live outside of). In some ways these statues are like glorified participation trophies^[1]. But Stone Mountain is more like a work of art and the comparison to what the Taliban did (or more recently what ISIS has done in places like Mosul) is, IMHBAO, a fair one.

Further, it won't stop there. As noted, you already have folks like Sharpton, demanding that the Jefferson memorial be taken down or at the least defunded. The Washington memorial and Mount Rushmore cannot be far behind.







1. I heard that a couple days ago somewhere and liked it.

To be clear, I meant the removal of statues devoted to pagan religions by the Taliban. Regardless of who they were at the hand of, I can't help but be reminded that God commanded something similar in the OT.

I myself don't care about Confederate memorials one way or the other.

[rogue06]

To be clear, I meant the removal of statues devoted to pagan religions by the Taliban. Regardless of who they were at the hand of, I can't help but be reminded that God commanded something similar in the OT.

I myself don't care about Confederate memorials one way or the other.

Not like anyone was worshiping them. They had long since passed from pagan religious icons to works of art much like relics from pharaonic Egypt aren't seriously regarded as pagan icons.

[Mountain Man]

Al Sharpton, one-time candidate for the presidential nomination for the Democrats and host of a show on MSNBC, has done exactly that just two days ago on Charlie Rose's PBS show.

First Stone Mountain. Next Mount Rushmore where two slave-owning president's faces are carved.

Personally, I see little difference between what is going on and the Taliban destroying those Buddhist carvings in Afghanistan.

Or, ironically, the Nazis burning books that carried contrary ideas.

[Mountain Man]

I myself don't care about Confederate memorials one way or the other.

It's not so much the removal of the statues in and of itself that's the problem but the troubling and dangerous ideology that is behind it.

[KingsGambit]

Not like anyone was worshiping them. They had long since passed from pagan religious icons to works of art much like relics from pharaonic Egypt aren't seriously regarded as pagan icons.

Yeah, that's certainly a mitigating factor. Though I can't be too upset about them being gone, honestly. I can't help but think of I. Howard Marshall's commentary on Acts, in the Acts 17 chapter, when he reminds us that Paul did not admire the idols on Mars Hill for their beauty and suggests Christians treat pagan art the same way.

Certainly this isn't an excuse for Christians to go off vandalizing such displays themselves.

[Darth Executor]

I think we had a discussion about this a few weeks ago but I feel a tad uncomfortable condemning that as a Christian.

Mahomet the Devil is far worse than Buddha.