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    Is it difficult to be a preterist when World War 3 is about to start? #allthebadthingshappenedtotheJews

  • #2
    Originally posted by Darfius View Post
    Is it difficult to be a preterist when World War 3 is about to start?
    Well, you can call me out if big mushroom cloud appears soon, but I don't think it will!! Trump and Kim playing chicken, and most likely someone will chicken out and lose face big time!
    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Darfius View Post
      Is it difficult to be a preterist when World War 3 is about to start? #allthebadthingshappenedtotheJews
      No more difficult than it has been during any other major calamity that has befallen the world since Jesus' ascension.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Darfius View Post
        Is it difficult to be a preterist when World War 3 is about to start? #allthebadthingshappenedtotheJews
        Why should it be?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
          Why should it be?
          Because given the previous two world wars and the fact that the third is imminent, the idea that a local Roman occupation of Jerusalem in the 1st century fulfilled many Bible passages referring to the "day of the Lord" as a "time of trouble worse than any since the beginning of the world and not to be seen again" is patently idiotic. I imagine it feels uncomfortable to be an idiot, but maybe not if you're used to it? What do you think?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Darfius View Post
            Because given the previous two world wars and the fact that the third is imminent, the idea that a local Roman occupation of Jerusalem in the 1st century fulfilled many Bible passages referring to the "day of the Lord" as a "time of trouble worse than any since the beginning of the world and not to be seen again" is patently idiotic. I imagine it feels uncomfortable to be an idiot, but maybe not if you're used to it? What do you think?
            I am inclined to be a Futurist, but you appear to be inclined to be a jerk.
            Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Darfius View Post
              Because given the previous two world wars and the fact that the third is imminent, the idea that a local Roman occupation of Jerusalem in the 1st century fulfilled many Bible passages referring to the "day of the Lord" as a "time of trouble worse than any since the beginning of the world and not to be seen again" is patently idiotic. I imagine it feels uncomfortable to be an idiot, but maybe not if you're used to it? What do you think?
              1. The hyperbole quoted is actually literal.
              2. The flood killed nearly all of humanity so it's impossible for the times of trouble to be worse
              3. Lawgic status: Trapped

              1. The flood is not literal
              2. But an apocalyptic book's hyperbolic statement should be taken literally?
              3. Lawgic status: Trapped

              1. How is mass slaughter worse than the fall of man? That sounds like a far worse time of trouble given that it damned all of humanity instead of just kill a much smaller number of people.
              2. Lawgic status: Trapped

              preterist master race wins again
              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                1. The hyperbole quoted is actually literal.
                2. The flood killed nearly all of humanity so it's impossible for the times of trouble to be worse
                3. Lawgic status: Trapped

                1. The flood is not literal
                2. But an apocalyptic book's hyperbolic statement should be taken literally?
                3. Lawgic status: Trapped

                1. How is mass slaughter worse than the fall of man? That sounds like a far worse time of trouble given that it damned all of humanity instead of just kill a much smaller number of people.
                2. Lawgic status: Trapped

                preterist master race wins again
                Drowning is clearly not worse than witnessing catastrophic events on earth alongside disease, plagues, famine, cruelty, demonic entities causing men's hearts to fail them from fear, etc.

                Jesus referred to the flood as literal.

                After the fall, Adam and Eve basically got told to eat their vegetables. That's not a worse event than the events listed above. If anything, the fall had the potential to lead to what's coming, but when it comes, that will be the actuality. The actuality is greater than the potential.

                Don't come at me with this weak sauce again, bruh.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                  I am inclined to be a Futurist, but you appear to be inclined to be a jerk.
                  I'm a jerk to anyone who keeps the truth from people, whether they do so intentionally or with "good intentions."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Darfius View Post
                    Drowning is clearly not worse than witnessing catastrophic events on earth alongside disease, plagues, famine, cruelty, demonic entities causing men's hearts to fail them from fear, etc.

                    Jesus referred to the flood as literal.

                    After the fall, Adam and Eve basically got told to eat their vegetables. That's not a worse event than the events listed above. If anything, the fall had the potential to lead to what's coming, but when it comes, that will be the actuality. The actuality is greater than the potential.

                    Don't come at me with this weak sauce again, bruh.
                    They went from life in paradise to subsistence farming. And mortality. And pain. Not fun.
                    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Doofus View Post
                      Because given the previous two world wars and the fact that the third is imminent, the idea that a local Roman occupation of Jerusalem in the 1st century fulfilled many Bible passages referring to the "day of the Lord" as a "time of trouble worse than any since the beginning of the world and not to be seen again" is patently idiotic. I imagine it feels uncomfortable to be an idiot, but maybe not if you're used to it? What do you think?
                      I think you're a bigot who doesn't understand the significance of the destruction of the Jerusalem temple in 70AD. Culturally and religiously speaking, it's hard to think of anything more apocalyptic in the eyes of a first century Jew. A world war is peanuts in comparison.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        I think you're a bigot who doesn't understand the significance of the destruction of the Jerusalem temple in 70AD. Culturally and religiously speaking, it's hard to think of anything more apocalyptic in the eyes of a first century Jew. A world war is peanuts in comparison.
                        Quote the verse in the Bible that says, "interpret everything in the Bible as a 1st century Jew would." After you don't, change my name back to Darfius and put some respect on it.

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                        • #13
                          And how are we any more special than they were? What would even be the point of a message that wouldn't be fulfilled for millennia?
                          If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                            And how are we any more special than they were? What would even be the point of a message that wouldn't be fulfilled for millennia?
                            Oh, honey child, a thousand years is as a day to the Lord.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Doofus View Post
                              Quote the verse in the Bible that says, "interpret everything in the Bible as a 1st century Jew would." After you don't, change my name back to Darfius and put some respect on it.
                              Quote the verse in the Bible that says, "Interpret everything in the Bible other than how a 1st century Jew would." After you don't, go stick your head in a bucket of water and wash the drool off your chin.

                              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                              Than a fool in the eyes of God


                              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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