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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Quote the verse in the Bible that says, "Interpret everything in the Bible other than how a 1st century Jew would." After you don't, go stick your head in a bucket of water and wash the drool off your chin.

    Scripture Verse: Daniel 12

    He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.

    11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

    13 “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”

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    Gabriel clearly says the book of Daniel at least would be "sealed" until the end days, which he equated to the physical resurrection. Has the physical resurrection happened yet? Now, the manner in which you can display your respect to my name is to add "Mr." before it. Proceed.

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    • #17
      Daniel was sealed because the time was not near. Revelation was not sealed because the time was near. Anyways, I hold to the position that it will all pan out in the end, so why be dogmatic? I don't like people being dogmatic about secondary doctrines(if eschatological views even reach that level, more like a tertiary doctrine). Especially when it leads to consipracy theory style thinking that we are in the end times now. People have been claiming that for longer than I've been alive. What about the guy that claimed the rapture would occur in 1998? Little boy has cried wolf so many times, that I'd rather trust the Head Shepherd to handle any predator issues Himself.
      If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
        Daniel was sealed because the time was not near. Revelation was not sealed because the time was near. Anyways, I hold to the position that it will all pan out in the end, so why be dogmatic? I don't like people being dogmatic about secondary doctrines(if eschatological views even reach that level, more like a tertiary doctrine). Especially when it leads to consipracy theory style thinking that we are in the end times now. People have been claiming that for longer than I've been alive. What about the guy that claimed the rapture would occur in 1998? Little boy has cried wolf so many times, that I'd rather trust the Head Shepherd to handle any predator issues Himself.
        Blah blah blah, you didn't address the fact that Gabriel equated the end days with the physical resurrection, which hasn't happened yet. Preterism = dead in the water. Now, to address your trite, holier-than-thou nonsense about ignorance being righteous, the Lord Himself told us to "watch" and "be ready" so that "the day doesn't come upon us as a thief." Elsewhere, God says that His people perish for lack of knowledge. When you end up facedown in a FEMA camp, it will likely be too late to cry out to God for deliverance, and the fault will be yours. Those of us who are delivered will have our own obedience as well as God's faithfulness to thank. Our loved ones who are likewise delivered due in part to our diligence will also, I imagine, be grateful. The loved ones of those who are not diligent who also end up in a FEMA camp or taking the mark or succumbing to any number of avoidable dooms will be feeling all sorts of emotions, but gratitude won't be one of them.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mr. Doofus View Post
          Scripture Verse: Daniel 12

          He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.

          11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

          13 “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”

          © Copyright Original Source


          Gabriel clearly says the book of Daniel at least would be "sealed" until the end days, which he equated to the physical resurrection. Has the physical resurrection happened yet? Now, the manner in which you can display your respect to my name is to add "Mr." before it. Proceed.
          And how does that support your fast and loose interpretation of scripture that throws out the cultural, historical, sociological, and literary context at time of their writing?

          Better get a few buckets ready... I think you're going to need them.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            And how does that support your fast and loose interpretation of scripture that throws out the cultural, historical, sociological, and literary context at time of their writing?

            Better get a few buckets ready... I think you're going to need them.
            Be specific about what I "threw out" or save the rhetorical tricks for those you're not duty bound to address as Mr.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Darfius View Post
              Because given the previous two world wars and the fact that the third is imminent, the idea that a local Roman occupation of Jerusalem in the 1st century fulfilled many Bible passages referring to the "day of the Lord" as a "time of trouble worse than any since the beginning of the world and not to be seen again" is patently idiotic. I imagine it feels uncomfortable to be an idiot, but maybe not if you're used to it? What do you think?
              I think that many people throughout Christian history have been unshakably convinced that they were living in the last times. You appear to be the latest. Congratulations, bruh.

              Meanwhile, I'm doing my best to live each day as if it's my last, no matter what goes on around me. If it's the end of the world, GREAT. I'll be in heaven sooner.
              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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              • #22
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                I think that many people throughout Christian history have been unshakably convinced that they were living in the last times. You appear to be the latest. Congratulations, bruh.

                Meanwhile, I'm doing my best to live each day as if it's my last, no matter what goes on around me. If it's the end of the world, GREAT. I'll be in heaven sooner.
                God help any loved ones you have relying on your discernment and faithfulness to protect them. Perhaps your sob of "at least we're going to heaven sooner" as they die of starvation in a FEMA camp after suffering unspeakable horrors will be of some comfort to them.

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                • #23
                  Sorry, bro, you are just sounding like a conspiracy theorist nut.
                  If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                    Sorry, bro, you are just sounding like a conspiracy theorist nut.
                    Oh. You're one of those who care about how things "sound", rather than how things are. Lawd help her!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Doofus View Post
                      Be specific about what I "threw out" or save the rhetorical tricks for those you're not duty bound to address as Mr.
                      'Quote the verse in the Bible that says, "interpret everything in the Bible as a 1st century Jew would."'

                      What did you mean by that, Mr. Doofus? Weren't you implying that we shouldn't interpret scripture as a 1st century Jew would?
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        'Quote the verse in the Bible that says, "interpret everything in the Bible as a 1st century Jew would."'

                        What did you mean by that, Mr. Doofus? Weren't you implying that we shouldn't interpret scripture as a 1st century Jew would?
                        I meant we shouldn't only consider how a 1st century Jew would interpret the text, as it was written by a being who transcends time and space for all of mankind.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Doofus View Post
                          I meant we shouldn't only consider how a 1st century Jew would interpret the text, as it was written by a being who transcends time and space for all of mankind.
                          That's some mighty fine goalpost moving, Mr. Doofus.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                            Sorry, bro, you are just sounding like a conspiracy theorist nut.
                            Well, Darfius did claim that people misremembering the Berenstain Bears as the Berenstein Bears was the work of Satan.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Darfius View Post
                              Drowning is clearly not worse than witnessing catastrophic events on earth alongside disease, plagues, famine, cruelty, demonic entities causing men's hearts to fail them from fear, etc.
                              Sounds like a good popcorn flick to me. I'd pick it over drowning any day.

                              Jesus referred to the flood as literal.
                              Jesus referred to the flood.

                              After the fall, Adam and Eve basically got told to eat their vegetables.
                              After the fall all of humanity became mortal. Without it nothing written in revelation would be able to harm us. So no, not even close.

                              Those were some pretty impressive dodges and rationalizations though.
                              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Darfius View Post
                                God help any loved ones you have relying on your discernment and faithfulness to protect them. Perhaps your sob of "at least we're going to heaven sooner" as they die of starvation in a FEMA camp after suffering unspeakable horrors will be of some comfort to them.
                                You seem to be laboring under the assumption that people can be protected from the end of the world. FEMA has more ammo than you.

                                And it's only a momentary affliction, anyway. The martyrs suffered such (with the joy of Christ suffusing them), and are now robed in white. Should I deny my loved ones that chance? Jesus can offer far more comfort than I, and His lasts for eternity.
                                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                                Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                                I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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