This is what fascism looks like

[Sparko]

There's demonstrably nothing wrong with minutely limiting free speech (the US has done this since its founding) for the good of society. Stopping neonazis from rallying is at the very least just as much a public good as stopping panic when someone yells fire in a crowded theater. The people who sat around while the Nazis built their engine aren't remembered particularly fondly, while the people who were called to action are remembered as heroes. It sounds like you are condemning fascist resistance.

You can yell fire in a crowded theater if there is a fire. The saying come from speech that is false and causes direct harm. So if someone is speaking at a rally and inciting violence or "killing the jews" then that speech is not protected. But if they want to be racists and say the races should be kept separate or that blacks are better than whites or vice versa, then they can do that. Saying, "kill all blacks" is not allowed. Neither is, "Let's attack the white nationalists and destroy confederate statues!"

[seer]

There have been some major SCOTUS cases revolving around what speech the government can deem obscene and therefore illegal. Jacobellis v. Ohio, Roth v. United States, Miller v. California... First, these speakers are not explicitly calling for people's death. However, they are advocating policy that will result in death, specifically anti-poor and anti-black policy. Second, it's not fair to accuse people of something that you imagine might happen in the far future.

Psychic, political speech is completely protected, even Nazi speech is protected, even if you think the policies they advocate are harmful. It is not up to you or Antifa to decide.

All sides outside of anarchists prevent freedom of speech in some way.

No they don't. Conservatives are not shutting down venues to prevent people from speaking.

The US has been experiencing stagnating wages for decades while the wealthy continue to get wealthier. An plutocracy cannot simultaneously be a meritocracy.

Nonsense, the US is still one of the top nations in the world for economic mobility - that is a fact, we used to be first, back when according to people like you, we were more unfair.

[rogue06]

You can yell fire in a crowded theater if there is a fire. The saying come from speech that is false and causes direct harm. So if someone is speaking at a rally and inciting violence or "killing the jews" then that speech is not protected. But if they want to be racists and say the races should be kept separate or that blacks are better than whites or vice versa, then they can do that. Saying, "kill all blacks" is not allowed. Neither is, "Let's attack the white nationalists and destroy confederate statues!"

And to be sure, there certainly is racism from the left here (from Seattle):

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[rogue06]

Food for thought: If you are against the First Amendment then you don't have a right to protest either.

[Mountain Man]

Food for thought: If you are against the First Amendment then you don't have a right to protest either.

Liberals have never been particularly bothered by cognitive dissonance.

[Sparko]

And to be sure, there certainly is racism from the left here (from Seattle):


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wait. what? Whites can't date whites?

[Sparko]

Food for thought: If you are against the First Amendment then you don't have a right to protest either.

I don't think they get the irony.

[JimL]

Good, so you won't use the fascist tactics that much of the left is using...

Nope, I don't agree that violence is a solution on either side. Some people disagree, and in the face of the rise of the white supremacists on the right I can understand the aggressive tactics believed by some on the left to be necessary, but I think that at this time we need only fight right wing hate speech with tolerance and speech. But there is a time when violence may become necessary, I just don't think we are there yet, hope people will wake up and we never get to that point.

[JimL]

If antifa, (anti-fascist) can protest Trump supporters and conservatives who they label fascist we can turn it on them - especially since they are the ones attempting to prevent speech. I'm not giving them the rhetorical high ground.

Whose stopping you from protesting?

[JimL]

You can yell fire in a crowded theater if there is a fire. The saying come from speech that is false and causes direct harm. So if someone is speaking at a rally and inciting violence or "killing the jews" then that speech is not protected. But if they want to be racists and say the races should be kept separate or that blacks are better than whites or vice versa, then they can do that. Saying, "kill all blacks" is not allowed. Neither is, "Let's attack the white nationalists and destroy confederate statues!"

So are you saying that the neonazi's inciting violence with their hate speech against Jews should have been arrested?

[seer]

Whose stopping you from protesting?

No Jim, people are being preventing from speaking.

[seer]

Nope, I don't agree that violence is a solution on either side. Some people disagree, and in the face of the rise of the white supremacists on the right I can understand the aggressive tactics believed by some on the left to be necessary, but I think that at this time we need only fight right wing hate speech with tolerance and speech. But there is a time when violence may become necessary, I just don't think we are there yet, hope people will wake up and we never get to that point.

Jim there is no evidence that there is a rise in white supremacists, it is the same handful of idiots that have been around for ages.

[Jedidiah]

Nope, I don't agree that violence is a solution on either side. Some people disagree, and in the face of the rise of the white supremacists on the right I can understand the aggressive tactics believed by some on the left to be necessary, but I think that at this time we need only fight right wing hate speech with tolerance and speech. But there is a time when violence may become necessary, I just don't think we are there yet, hope people will wake up and we never get to that point.

Violence is never the answer unless the Constitution is completely overturned.

[Mountain Man]

Whose stopping you from protesting?

Well, you see, Jimmy, productive members of society have this thing called a job...

[Sparko]

So are you saying that the neonazi's inciting violence with their hate speech against Jews should have been arrested?

if they were advocating violence against jews or anyone else they should be arrested. But were they? They were there to protest the taking down of the statues and the KKK has a lot of experience with public marches and know how to be racist but stay within the law.

But I think those there who came with weapons and other gear ready to fight and did fight should be arrested. same with the antifa

Jim, I am not on the side of the white nationlists or the antifa/blm thugs.

I am on the side of the constitution. Free Speech without recrimination for everyone. No violence by anyone. even those I don't agree with. ESPECIALLY those I don't agree with.