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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostThere have been some major SCOTUS cases revolving around what speech the government can deem obscene and therefore illegal. Jacobellis v. Ohio, Roth v. United States, Miller v. California... First, these speakers are not explicitly calling for people's death. However, they are advocating policy that will result in death, specifically anti-poor and anti-black policy. Second, it's not fair to accuse people of something that you imagine might happen in the far future.
All sides outside of anarchists prevent freedom of speech in some way.
The US has been experiencing stagnating wages for decades while the wealthy continue to get wealthier. An plutocracy cannot simultaneously be a meritocracy.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou can yell fire in a crowded theater if there is a fire. The saying come from speech that is false and causes direct harm. So if someone is speaking at a rally and inciting violence or "killing the jews" then that speech is not protected. But if they want to be racists and say the races should be kept separate or that blacks are better than whites or vice versa, then they can do that. Saying, "kill all blacks" is not allowed. Neither is, "Let's attack the white nationalists and destroy confederate statues!"
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Food for thought: If you are against the First Amendment then you don't have a right to protest either.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostFood for thought: If you are against the First Amendment then you don't have a right to protest either.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostGood, so you won't use the fascist tactics that much of the left is using...
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Originally posted by seer View PostIf antifa, (anti-fascist) can protest Trump supporters and conservatives who they label fascist we can turn it on them - especially since they are the ones attempting to prevent speech. I'm not giving them the rhetorical high ground.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou can yell fire in a crowded theater if there is a fire. The saying come from speech that is false and causes direct harm. So if someone is speaking at a rally and inciting violence or "killing the jews" then that speech is not protected. But if they want to be racists and say the races should be kept separate or that blacks are better than whites or vice versa, then they can do that. Saying, "kill all blacks" is not allowed. Neither is, "Let's attack the white nationalists and destroy confederate statues!"
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWhose stopping you from protesting?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNope, I don't agree that violence is a solution on either side. Some people disagree, and in the face of the rise of the white supremacists on the right I can understand the aggressive tactics believed by some on the left to be necessary, but I think that at this time we need only fight right wing hate speech with tolerance and speech. But there is a time when violence may become necessary, I just don't think we are there yet, hope people will wake up and we never get to that point.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNope, I don't agree that violence is a solution on either side. Some people disagree, and in the face of the rise of the white supremacists on the right I can understand the aggressive tactics believed by some on the left to be necessary, but I think that at this time we need only fight right wing hate speech with tolerance and speech. But there is a time when violence may become necessary, I just don't think we are there yet, hope people will wake up and we never get to that point.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostWhose stopping you from protesting?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo are you saying that the neonazi's inciting violence with their hate speech against Jews should have been arrested?
But I think those there who came with weapons and other gear ready to fight and did fight should be arrested. same with the antifa
Jim, I am not on the side of the white nationlists or the antifa/blm thugs.
I am on the side of the constitution. Free Speech without recrimination for everyone. No violence by anyone. even those I don't agree with. ESPECIALLY those I don't agree with.
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