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Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim do you think it is a good thing to prevent people from speaking under the thread of violence or by violence?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNope, nice try though seer!Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSo... it's fascist, but it's not fascism? Is that what you're saying?Last edited by Terraceth; 08-18-2017, 05:28 PM.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostSuppression of speech is an element of fascism but that doesn't make this fascism (because it lacks a lot of critical elements of fascism and is in fact the opposite of fascism in some ways). It's like claiming that Germany and Italy were governed by Sharia law in World War II because they shared a dislike of homosexuals.
If antifa, (anti-fascist) can protest Trump supporters and conservatives who they label fascist we can turn it on them - especially since they are the ones attempting to prevent speech. I'm not giving them the rhetorical high ground.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostIf antifa, (anti-fascist) can protest Trump supporters and conservatives who they label fascist we can turn it on them - especially since they are the ones attempting to prevent speech. I'm not giving them the rhetorical high ground.
What antifa complains about (and ironically itself engages in) is authoritarianism, not fascism.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostYeah, and I don't like antifa either because they have no clue what fascism is (well, okay, there's plenty of other reasons but for an "anti-fascist" group they certainly seem clueless about what fascism actually is).
What antifa complains about (and ironically itself engages in) is authoritarianism, not fascism.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostSuppression of speech is an element of fascism but that doesn't make this fascism (because it lacks a lot of critical elements of fascism and is in fact the opposite of fascism in some ways). It's like claiming that Germany and Italy were governed by Sharia law in World War II because they shared a dislike of homosexuals.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostWhich is why I said liberals are a greater danger to the US than the neo-nazis."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhen was the last time a liberal speaker had an event cancelled because Neonazis threatened to riot?
Say you own an business and said you were against neonazis. What the worst that could happen? Some trolls might troll your business Facebook page.
Say though you were against gay marriage, what is the worst that could happen? You get ran out of business and can't even get hired to be a fry cook at McDonalds.
What group should we worry about more?Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 08-18-2017, 11:55 PM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by seer View PostFirst Psychic, I have no idea what you mean about the obscenity thing, porn is everywhere. And are you just daft? No one is calling for anyone's death, main stream conservative thought does no such thing. See that is exactly why we don't need people like you or Antifa deciding what speech is acceptable or not. And lets be clear the majority of those who were protesting the speakers I was referencing were privileged white kids. Whether you see it or not Psychic you and people like Antifa and the Communists are on the same path that the Fascists were on in the early days of book burning.
Ok, so your side prevents freedom of speech and you say there is nothing to worry about? Forgive me if I don't trust your judgement on this.
It certainly is. I know a number of people who started out dirt poor and are now very well off. They did this mostly in the construction trades. Took a risk, started their own businesses and worked 14 hours a day in the early years. The US is still one of the top countries for Economic Mobility: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...-scott-winship.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postwhat about "free speech" do you not understand? Do you think the first amendment only protects speech you think is "good?"
The whole purpose of the first amendment is to protect the speech that you might find offensive. There is no reason to protect speech that everyone agrees with.
So yes, if Hitler was an american and wanted to give a public speech, then he is allowed under the first amendment to do so. Just like the KKK is allowed to do so now. You can use your free speech to oppose him. But you are not allowed to stop him from speaking using violence or force. Especially if you are representing the government.
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