Prophets compared to Priests

[Johnny Poochie]

Are you leading back to the point that Jews can't be reconnected to God without a priest?

[footwasher]

Are you leading back to the point that Jews can't be reconnected to God without a priest?

Actually, I'm leading to the point that because Israel failed to understand God's Word, refused to listen to God's prophets, she could not obey God's Torah, instruction, to be God's priests, thus failing in her religious duty, reconnecting men with God :

Isaiah 56

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.יִתיִרְבִּב םיִקיִזֲחַמּו ,ֹולְּלַחֵמ תָּבַׁש רֵמֹׁש-לָּכ--םיִדָבֲעַל ֹול תֹויְהִל ,הָוהְי םֵׁש-תֶא הָבֲהַאְלּו ,ֹותְרָׁשְל והָוהְי-לַע םיִוְלִּנַה ,רָכֵּנַה יֵנְבּו

Also the aliens, that join themselves to the LORD, to minister unto Him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from profaning it, and holdeth fast by My covenant:

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.םיִּמַעָה-לָכְל אֵרָּקִי הָּלִפְּת-תיֵּב ,יִתיֵב יִּכ :יִחְּבְזִמ-לַע ,ןֹוצָרְל םֶהיֵחְבִזְו םֶהיֵתֹלֹוע--יִתָּלִפְּת תיֵבְּב םיִּתְחַּמִׂשְו ז,יִׁשְדָק רַה-לֶא םיִתֹואיִבֲהַו

Even them will I bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer; their burnt-offerings and their sacrifices shall be acceptable upon Mine altar; for My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

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.ויָצָּבְקִנְל ,ויָלָע ץֵּבַקֲא דֹוע :לֵאָרְׂשִי חיֵחְדִנ ץֵּבַקְמ ,הִוהְי יָנֹדֲא םֻאְנ

Saith the Lord GOD who gathereth the dispersed of Israel: Yet I will gather others to him, beside those of him that are gathered.

Jeremiah 7

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.הָוהְי-םֻאְנ ,יִתיִאָר הֵּנִה יִכֹנָא םַּג ;םֶכיֵניֵעְּב--ויָלָע יִמְׁש-אָרְקִנ-רֶׁשֲא יאהֶּזַה תִיַּבַה הָיָה ,םיִצִרָּפ תַרָעְמַה

Is this house, whereupon My name is called, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen it, saith the LORD.

[Johnny Poochie]

Actually, I'm leading to the point that because Israel failed to understand God's Word, refused to listen to God's prophets, she could not obey God's Torah, instruction, to be God's priests, thus failing in her religious duty, reconnecting men with God :

Which I would still say was expressed in the 1st century mainly through baseless hatred of Jew against Jew, which again is why the Temple fell according to Jewish teachings. Since again, if Jews would not remove the beam from their own eyes to love each other, they would not see and recognize any Messiah sent to unify and deliver them from Rome either.

[footwasher]

Which I would still say was expressed in the 1st century mainly through baseless hatred of Jew against Jew, which again is why the Temple fell according to Jewish teachings. Since again, if Jews would not remove the beam from their own eyes to love each other, they would not see and recognize any Messiah sent to unify and deliver them from Rome either.

If Israel followed ALL the Law, the ceremonial, penal as well as the moral parts, she would still have fallen short. If Jew had cared for Jew, the weak and the disadvantaged, she would still have fallen short.

Her main fault was in not proclaiming God's desire to bless man, not oppress him. Through observance of the Law. Through word. And deed.

[Tanakh Keeper]

Nice smear job footwasher.

You've trashed my informative thread with your mis-infomation. Start your own thread describing your heresies. I asked the moderators to close this one.

[footwasher]

Judaism has two different forms of religious leadership, prophets and priests, or Navi and Cohen. Our greatest navi was Moses and our first Cohen was his brother, Aaron. Prophets always seem to capture the most press. They are outspoken, fiery, and political. They challenge the nobility and seek to change society to adopt high ideals. In contrast, priests are soft-spoken, quieter, and apolitical. They serve in the Holy Sanctuary and sustain Israel as a holy nation. Indeed, G-d called upon the Jews to be a nation of priests, not a people of prophets. Here is a listing of the differences between prophets and priests .

Oi vey! Hang on! All I was doing was getting you back on track! With OT resources. You were going all over the map! You were free to refute every point. Instead, you refused to engage. Even to indefensible rebuttals!

[Johnny Poochie]

If Israel followed ALL the Law, the ceremonial, penal as well as the moral parts, she would still have fallen short. If Jew had cared for Jew, the weak and the disadvantaged, she would still have fallen short.

Her main fault was in not proclaiming God's desire to bless man, not oppress him. Through observance of the Law. Through word. And deed.

The thread may be closed at any time but I'll reply anyway...mercy for your fellows has to come first before God shows you mercy, so it seems that rabbis are still correct about baseless hatred being the main problem causing the fall of the Temple.

[footwasher]

The thread may be closed at any time but I'll reply anyway...mercy for your fellows has to come first before God shows you mercy, so it seems that rabbis are still correct about baseless hatred being the main problem causing the fall of the Temple.

Jeremiah 7: 21-26

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רָׂשָב ּולְכִאְו21 ,םֶכיֵחְבִז-לַע ּופְס םֶכיֵתֹולֹע*:לֵאָרְׂשִי יֵהֹלֱא ,תֹואָבְצ הָוהְי רַמָא הֹּכ**אכ.

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: Add your burnt-offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat ye flesh.

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ו ,הָלֹוע יֵרְבִּד-לַע--םִיָרְצִמ ץֶרֶאֵמ ,םָתֹוא22 )יִאיִצֹוה( איצוה םֹויְּב ,םיִתיִּוִצ אֹלְו ,םֶכיֵתֹובֲא-תֶא יִּתְרַּבִד-אֹל יִּכ**בכ.

For I spoke not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt-offerings or sacrifices;

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.םֶכָל בַטיִי ,ןַעַמְל ,םֶכְתֶא הֶּוַצֲא רֶׁשֲא ְךֶרֶּדַה-לָכְּב ,םֶּתְכַלֲהַו ;םָעְל יִל-ּויְהִּת םֶּתַאְו ,םיִהֹלאֵל םֶכָל יִתיִיָהְו--יִלֹוקְב ּועְמִׁש ,רֹמאֵל םָתֹוא יִתיִּוִצ הֶּזַה רָבָּדַה-תֶא-םִא יִּכ**גכ

but this thing I commanded them, saying: 'Hearken unto My voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be My people; and walk ye in all the way that I command you, that it may be well with you.'

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םיִנָפְל אֹלְו ,רֹוחָאְל ּויְהִּיַו24 ;עָרָה םָּבִל תּורִרְׁשִּב ,תֹוצֵעֹמְּב ּוכְלֵּיַו ,םָנְזָא-תֶא ּוּטִה-אֹלְו ,ּועְמָׁש אֹלְו**דכ.

But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in their own counsels, even in the stubbornness of their evil heart, and went backward and not forward,

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. ַחֹלָׁשְו םֵּכְׁשַה םֹוי ,םיִאיִבְּנַה יַדָבֲע-לָּכ-תֶא םֶכיֵלֲא חַלְׁשֶאָו--הֶּזַה םֹוּיַה ,דַע ,םִיַרְצִמ ץֶרֶאֵמ םֶכיֵתֹובֲא ּואְצָי רֶׁשֲא ,םֹוּיַה-ןִמְל**הכ

even since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day; and though I have sent unto you all My servants the prophets, sending them daily betimes and often,

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םָתֹובֲאֵמ26 ,ּועֵרֵה--םָּפְרָע-תֶא ,ּוׁשְקַּיַו ;םָנְזָא-תֶא ּוּטִה אֹלְו ,יַלֵא ּועְמָׁש אֹולְו* *וכ.

yet they hearkened not unto Me, nor inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff; they did worse than their fathers.



In the course of this discussion, I found the above passage, a text I had been searching for quite a long while. God says He never wanted to give the Law to Israel. He only wanted to raise a family, interact with those in the family, know them and be known, so that they would follow His ways. Just like a human father, but better, since God is the perfect Father.

However, the people wanted a contract. That may seem an innocent request, but so is a prenup. Prenups may be fair contracts, but they have a bad connotation. Why did God agree to the contract? Because of Israel's stubbornness, immaturity, hardness of heart. Same reason God hates divorce, but allows it. Hates being replaced by a human king, but still allows it.

God allows deviation, but regulates it. Divorce, monarchy, Law: all have conditions attached to their practice.


Deuteronomy 17

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.םִּיִוְלַה םיִנֲהֹּכַה ,יֵנְפִּלִמ ,רֶפֵס-לַע ,תאֹּזַה הָרֹוּתַה הֵנְׁשִמ-תֶא ֹול בַתָכְו יח--ֹוּתְכַלְמַמ אֵּסִּכ לַע ,ֹוּתְבִׁשְכ הָיָהְו


And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book, out of that which is before the priests the Levites. 19

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.םָתֹׂשֲעַל ,הֶּלֵאָה םיִּקֻחַה-תֶאְו תאֹּזַה הָרֹוּתַה יֵרְבִּד-לָּכ-תֶא רֹמְׁשִל ,ויָהֹלֱא הָוהְי-תֶא הָאְרִיְל ,דַמְלִי ןַעַמְל- יט-ויָּיַח יֵמְי-לָּכ ֹוב אָרָקְו ,ֹוּמִע הָתְיָהְו

And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life; that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them;
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The condition attached to the observance of the Law isn't layed out like those layed out for the monarchy, because He wanted Israel to respond to His love.

Recently a friend set up a charity for our town. He never put any conditions on its use. Other friends saw what he did and set up similar services that uplifted the community. He was mighty pleased!


a. the townspeople did not take credit for his work.

b. the townspeople did not take his work and use it for self promotion.

c. the townspeople complimented him, not just with words, but also by following his example.

d. the townspeople were grateful for his graciousness and humility.

God is gracious! God does not grandstand. Read the text! He cares for His children. He makes plans to get them out of trouble.

He sends prophets to teach them correct observance when the clueless people lose the plot. Because it's what gets the children out of trouble.

One cannot get around the fact that the prophets taught that the people were keeping the Law wrong: it's practice was displaying the sacrifice of men, rather than the mercy of God. Only by seeing the mercy of God will the world be blessed. Not by seeing the sacrifice of men, and by trying to copy that salvation by works.

[Bill the Cat]

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