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  • Majority of Americans want Confederate statues to remain...

    So I guess this means that the majority of Americans are racist!


    A majority of Americans polled in an NPR/PBS News Hours/Marist poll believe that statues of honoring leaders of the Confederacy should remain as a historical symbol.

    Of the 1,125 adults surveyed, 62% believe they should remain, 27% believe they should be removed because they are offensive and 11% are unsure. The full breakdown is here.

    http://wtvr.com/2017/08/17/poll-conf...tatues-remain/
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

  • #2
    Originally posted by seer View Post
    So I guess this means that the majority of Americans are racist!
    Now you're getting it.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      So I guess this means that the majority of Americans are racist!
      Interestingly, blacks favor leaving them be by a slim margin: 44% to 40% with 16% unsure. In fact there are high numbers of unsure in every category (the lowest number is 5%) which is often seen as an indicator of a poorly worded poll.

      I'm always still in trouble again

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      • #4
        The poll seems to be worded well enough - maybe in this case, it is a matter of being able to see good argument on both sides of the issue.
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        Scripture before Tradition:
        but that won't prevent others from
        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
        of the right to call yourself Christian.

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        • #5
          Interestingly it was a NPR/PBS News Hours/Marist poll and both PBS and NPR didn't seem to be very interested in reporting it.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #6
            When did most of these statues go up? Serious question, I'm hearing a lot went up in the 1920's, which seems relatively recent?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
              When did most of these statues go up? Serious question, I'm hearing a lot went up in the 1920's, which seems relatively recent?
              That’s right. The memorials are a legacy of the brutally racist Jim Crow era. The whole point of Confederate monuments is to celebrate white supremacy.
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                That’s right. The memorials are a legacy of the brutally racist Jim Crow era. The whole point of Confederate monuments is to celebrate white supremacy.
                That is nonsense Tass, you don't know that the intent was to celebrate white supremacy, it could have been in some cases but it could be equally true that when most of these were going up a large portion of Confederate veterans were aging and dying off. In any case, these are statues, inanimate objects, we read our own meaning into them. Removing them will not change any ones beliefs either way.
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  That is nonsense Tass, you don't know that the intent was to celebrate white supremacy, it could have been in some cases but it could be equally true that when most of these were going up a large portion of Confederate veterans were aging and dying off. In any case, these are statues, inanimate objects, we read our own meaning into them. Removing them will not change any ones beliefs either way.
                  IsTassman even American or just another arrogant liberal who thinks they know more about other countries than the people living in them.

                  If we are going to judge historical people by todays values then we should pull down the pyramids and any statues of pharoahs still standing because, guess what, those guys condoned slavery - ditto for anywhere else. Darwin must be removed from UK currency because he was a white supremacist as per some of his comments. We should shred Marx's works as he used the n-word.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Abigail View Post
                    IsTassman even American or just another arrogant liberal who thinks they know more about other countries than the people living in them.

                    If we are going to judge historical people by todays values then we should pull down the pyramids and any statues of pharoahs still standing because, guess what, those guys condoned slavery - ditto for anywhere else. Darwin must be removed from UK currency because he was a white supremacist as per some of his comments. We should shred Marx's works as he used the n-word.
                    Don't forget Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. - He had the audacity to call Americans of African ancestry "negroes" - publicly - and he was proud of it.
                    1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                    .
                    ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                    Scripture before Tradition:
                    but that won't prevent others from
                    taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                    of the right to call yourself Christian.

                    ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Abigail View Post
                      If we are going to judge historical people by todays values then we should pull down the pyramids and any statues of pharoahs still standing because, guess what, those guys condoned slavery - ditto for anywhere else. Darwin must be removed from UK currency because he was a white supremacist as per some of his comments. We should shred Marx's works as he used the n-word.
                      How about taking down the Colosseum where slaves, Christians and others were killed...
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Abigail View Post
                        IsTassman even American or just another arrogant liberal who thinks they know more about other countries than the people living in them.

                        If we are going to judge historical people by todays values then we should pull down the pyramids and any statues of pharoahs still standing because, guess what, those guys condoned slavery - ditto for anywhere else. Darwin must be removed from UK currency because he was a white supremacist as per some of his comments. We should shred Marx's works as he used the n-word.
                        First of all the pyramids are monuments that honor Egyption engineering and the slaves who built them not the masters that enslaved them, they're not statues honoring treasonous and evil men. Confederate statues of R. E. Lee and the like aren't solely about slavery, they are about the statues honoring treasonous men who in the name of slavery tried to overthrow the U.S. Government being proudly displayed in the face of those they tried to keep enslaved. Ask yourself this question, for what reason should this country honor those who tried to overthrow it in the name of slavery?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          First of all the pyramids are monuments that honor Egyption engineering and the slaves who built them not the masters that enslaved them, they're not statues honoring treasonous and evil men. Confederate statues of R. E. Lee and the like aren't solely about slavery, they are about the statues honoring treasonous men who in the name of slavery tried to overthrow the U.S. Government being proudly displayed in the face of those they tried to keep enslaved. Ask yourself this question, for what reason should this country honor those who tried to overthrow it in the name of slavery?
                          No dumbass. The Egyptian pyramids are honoring the Pharaohs who are buried there. The statues and such are honoring them. The same people who enslaved others and made the very laws that allowed slavery. For thousands of years.

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                          • #14
                            Now it is Christopher Columbus...

                            A 225-year-old monument commemorating Christopher Columbus was vandalized early Monday amid the nationwide debate on removing Confederate statues and monuments.

                            A video posted on Monday shows the monument being smashed. It shows two unidentified people taping a sign reading "The future is racial and economic justice" on the monument. One of them then hits the monument with what appears to be sledgehammer while the other stands next to the monument holding a sign that reads "Racism: Tear it down."

                            http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...timore-smashed
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #15
                              I kid you not.
                              We have just had some woman on our news tonight arguing that the statue of Nelson must be removed from his column in Trafalgar Square and the statues of Churchill and Cromwell must also be removed.
                              Last edited by Abigail; 08-22-2017, 02:38 PM.

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