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  • #31
    Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
    How exactly did someone come up with those figures?
    Probably by looking at newspaper and Congressional Record archives. It's a lot easier to do now that so much is being digitized.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Tassman View Post
      It’s not about history per se. It’s about the likes of the White Supremacist KKK fascists, who see Confederate monuments as a justification for their supremacist views.
      Wrong. The KKK and the White supremacists never noticed or even mentioned the statues before the idiot liberals decided they wanted to remove them. They were just statues. The liberals decided to make it an issue. How in the world could a statue be justification for white supremacist views? "duh... We have a statue of General Lee so that means we are better than black people. derrrr"


      The “Unite The Right” rally...drew white nationalists from all over the country to the city. Since April 2017, when the Charlottesville City Council first voted to remove a bronze equestrian Robert E. Lee sculpture, the city has been the site of alt-right protests and a Ku Klux Klan rally.
      Yeah because the liberals made it an issue.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        Wrong. The KKK and the White supremacists never noticed or even mentioned the statues before the idiot liberals decided they wanted to remove them. They were just statues. The liberals decided to make it an issue. How in the world could a statue be justification for white supremacist views? "duh... We have a statue of General Lee so that means we are better than black people. derrrr"


        Yeah because the liberals made it an issue.
        R. E. Lee led the rebellious war of secession against the U.S. Government over the right to enslave human beings. Perhaps we should commemorate as well the great Benedict Arnold. He's in the history books, though we don't honor him with a statue. Most of those statues were put up long after the war, in the Jim Crow era, and a s a matter of fact R. E. Lee himself didn't believe they should be put up at all.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by JimL View Post
          R. E. Lee led the rebellious war of secession against the U.S. Government over the right to enslave human beings. Perhaps we should commemorate as well the great Benedict Arnold. He's in the history books, though we don't honor him with a statue. Most of those statues were put up long after the war, in the Jim Crow era, and a s a matter of fact R. E. Lee himself didn't believe they should be put up at all.
          There is a difference, Arnold basically went over the the British side due to greed, Men like Lee and Jackson did not want secession but when it came they fought for their Country, the Confederates States of America. And there is at least one Monument to Arnold: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Monument And remember, Arnold was a great fighter and leader, on that alone he gets at least a little respect...
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          • #35
            Originally posted by JimL View Post
            R. E. Lee led the rebellious war of secession against the U.S. Government over the right to enslave human beings.
            No, he didn't. He led an army fighting for the right to secede.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              There is a difference, Arnold basically went over the the British side due to greed, Men like Lee and Jackson did not want secession but when it came they fought for their Country, the Confederates States of America. And there is at least one Monument to Arnold: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Monument And remember, Arnold was a great fighter and leader, on that alone he gets at least a little respect...
              The Confederate states of America was not a country seer. And the Boot Monument doesn't mention Arnold by name, the reason, he turned out to be a traitor.
              Last edited by JimL; 08-24-2017, 11:39 AM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                R. E. Lee led the rebellious war of secession against the U.S. Government over the right to enslave human beings. Perhaps we should commemorate as well the great Benedict Arnold. He's in the history books, though we don't honor him with a statue. Most of those statues were put up long after the war, in the Jim Crow era, and a s a matter of fact R. E. Lee himself didn't believe they should be put up at all.
                Repeating the same wrong information does not make it true JimL.

                PS - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Monument

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  Repeating the same wrong information does not make it true JimL.

                  PS - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Monument
                  What about the Boot Monument? There is a reason Benadict Arnolds name is not mentioned on that monument Sparko, he turned out to be a traitor.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    No, he didn't. He led an army fighting for the right to secede.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      What about the Boot Monument? There is a reason Benadict Arnolds name is not mentioned on that monument Sparko, he turned out to be a traitor.
                      And yet they made a statue to honor his contribution to the war. They found a way to honor him even though he later became a traitor. So you were wrong. "Perhaps we should commemorate as well the great Benedict Arnold. He's in the history books, though we don't honor him with a statue. " BZZT. wrongo.

                      We even have a memorial in Arlington Nationall Cemetery honoring the dead Confederate soldiers.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confed...onal_Cemetery)

                      800px-Confederate_Monument_-_S_face_tight_-_Arlington_National_Cemetery_-_2011.jpg
                      Looking at the south side of the Confederate Monument at Arlington National Cemtery in Arlington, Virginia, in the United States. American historians agree that many of the civic wounds created by the American Civil War were healed by the feelings of common cause generated during Spanish-American War. In June 1900, the U.S. Congress passed legislation setting aside Section 16 of the cemetery for the burial of Confederate States of America war dead.

                      There are many Confederate soldiers buried in Arlington.

                      I suppose you now want to go get a shovel and dig them up.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by JimL View Post
                        The Confederate states of America was not a country seer. And the Boot Monument doesn't mention Arnold by name, the reason, he turned out to be a traitor.
                        Well yes Jim, they did believe it was a Country, they were setting up a central Government with a Capitol. Of course they lost the war so it never materialized fully.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by JimL View Post
                          You're right, I shouldn't bother arguing semantics with someone either too lazy or too stupid to tell the difference. Thanks for reminding me.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            You're right, I shouldn't bother arguing semantics with someone either too lazy or too stupid to tell the difference. Thanks for reminding me.
                            Its not semantics idiot, the reason for the souths secession was the U.S. governments abolition of slavery. Besides that, secession itself is illegal under the Costitution so any attempt to do so is treasonous.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by seer View Post
                              Well yes Jim, they did believe it was a Country, they were setting up a central Government with a Capitol. Of course they lost the war so it never materialized fully.
                              Secession is illegal seer, it wasn't a country, it was a rebellion.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                                Secession is illegal seer, it wasn't a country, it was a rebellion.
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