I was kicked out of Sparks thread, therefore I started my own concerning what are the ethical and moral motives of rebellion. I will start with the declaration of secession from each of the states that seceded from the union.
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Motivations for rebellion and secession from a nation or kingdom
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Despite the rumors and false accusations the Republican Party during the Civil War period is not the same Republican Party of Today. The parties shifted party affiliations, and party loyalties over a period of time from the 1950s up to the 1970s. In the South the Republican Party shifted to more conservative positions and championed the causes of the South on issues of 'state's rights.' This time in objection to the integration, and equal rights legislation. The Democratic Party, than became the party of the North, and far West.
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The republican party didn't shift, it continued to defend everybody's civil rights once the tables turned. The democrats did a long swing from restricting the rights of blacks to restricting the rights of "racists"."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Who cares Frank? I've already told you the WAR wasn't about slavery. It was about the North demanding the reunification of the country, and the South telling them where to stick it. Secession was not a declaration of war.That's what
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWho cares Frank? I've already told you the WAR wasn't about slavery. It was about the North demanding the reunification of the country, and the South telling them where to stick it. Secession was not a declaration of war.
You telling me is a meaningless assertion. Most historians and I consider the declarations of secession a declaration of war followed by the confiscation of Federal forts and armaments, and the shelling and capture of Fort Sumter. The union actions that followed were to preserve the union, and not reunification. Can you provide an example where in history where a part of country simply decided to secede and told the nation or kingdom to 'stick it,' and just walk away without consequences of war. In fact there is no precedence in history to support your assertion
The secession was motivated by preserving the institution of slavery by the aristocracy of the South.
The Constitution is a contract sign by all the states for commitment to the Union. There is no Constitutional provision for seceding from the United States.Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-18-2017, 09:06 PM.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWho cares Frank? I've already told you the WAR wasn't about slavery. It was about the North demanding the reunification of the country, and the South telling them where to stick it. Secession was not a declaration of war.
The facts of history take precedence over personal assertions based on an agenda.Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-18-2017, 09:28 PM.
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Would you slaughter all your friends and family if they didn't care enough about stopping slavery Shuny?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI was kicked out of Sparks thread, therefore I started my own concerning what are the ethical and moral motives of rebellion.
I can only say that while I have considered the preservation of the constitutional power of the General Government to be the foundation of our peace and safety at home and abroad, I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it. I need not refer one so well acquainted as you are with American history, to the State papers of Washington and Jefferson, the representatives of the federal and democratic parties, denouncing consolidation and centralization of power, as tending to the subversion of State Governments, and to despotism.
https://archive.org/details/releeabiographyv012631mbp
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Originally posted by arnoldo View PostAccording to the following quote, the erosion of state's rights provided for by the constitution was an issue.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostWould you slaughter all your friends and family if they did so in the support of the institution of slavery Darth?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostPossibly a minor issue related, but by the declaration of secession by all the States the 'states rights' for the preservation of slavery and the maintenance of white superiority were the main upfront issue to motivate the states to secede.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWho cares Frank? I've already told you the WAR wasn't about slavery. It was about the North demanding the reunification of the country, and the South telling them where to stick it. Secession was not a declaration of war.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe problem with this is it is the South that started the war at Fort Sumter and an attempt to invade the North that resulted in the First Battle of Bull Run.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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