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Originally posted by thewriteranon View PostThat's the major place where Christian anarchists differ from our non-religious political brothers here, because we would agree that fundamentally all y'all need Jesus.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo why "fight" for anarchy if the end result is worse than what we have now?
Honestly, I don't like talking this stuff because I'm sick of all the grief I get from people. Suffice it to say I agree with Dee Dee in inching toward liberty, focusing on changing hearts and minds, and I don't think it will necessarily result in uncontrollable violence. I'm happy to answer questions about terminology, general attitudes, inspirations, etc., but I'm not the person to talk to about the goals of the ideology itself. Talk to RG.
"Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
"I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
Katniss Everdeen
Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post"Christian anarchist" doesn't make any sense, because a fundamental doctrine of Christianity is that God is the ultimate authority.
Really, I'm not here to argue for it, just explain some terms and stuff. If I'm going to get grief, I'll just leave tweb.
"Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
"I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
Katniss Everdeen
Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.
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Originally posted by thewriteranon View PostI'm not "fighting."
Honestly, I don't like talking this stuff because I'm sick of all the grief I get from people. Suffice it to say I agree with Dee Dee in inching toward liberty, focusing on changing hearts and minds, and I don't think it will necessarily result in uncontrollable violence. I'm happy to answer questions about terminology, general attitudes, inspirations, etc., but I'm not the person to talk to about the goals of the ideology itself. Talk to RG.
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Originally posted by thewriteranon View PostChristian anarchists recognize God as the only authority (or else God at the chief authority within the voluntary authority structure of the Church).
In other words, you can either be a Christian, or you can be an anarchist, but it's literally impossible to be both.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostLots of anarchists seem to be against private ownership, and while there may be a number of anarcho-capitalists, in my experience, they're the exception, not the rule.My Amazon Author page: https://www.amazon.com/-/e/B0719RS8BK
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhich is an oxymoron. "Anarchy", by definition, is the rejection of all authority.
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostFurthermore, if one recognizes the authority of God, which all Christians must, then they must also necessarily recognize that God has established human authorities on earth to serve as his proxy for the purposes of dispensing judgment.
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIn other words, you can either be a Christian, or you can be an anarchist, but it's literally impossible to be both.My Amazon Author page: https://www.amazon.com/-/e/B0719RS8BK
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo why "fight" for anarchy if the end result is worse than what we have now?My Amazon Author page: https://www.amazon.com/-/e/B0719RS8BK
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אָמַר לוֹ יֵשׁוּעַ: אֲנִי הַדֶּרֶךְ וְהָאֱמֶת וְהַחַיִּים. אֵין אִישׁ בָּא אֶל הָאָב אֶלָּא דַּרְכִּי✡ "Yeshua said, 'I AM the Way — and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except through me'" - Yochanan 14:6 ✡
כֻּלָּ֨נוּ֙ כַּצֹּ֣אן תָּעִ֔ינוּ אִ֥ישׁ לְדַרְכֹּ֖ו פָּנִ֑ינוּ וַֽיהוָה֙ הִפְגִּ֣יעַ בֹּ֔ו אֵ֖ת עֲוֹ֥ן כֻּלָּֽנוּ✡ "We all, like sheep, went astray; we turned, each one, to his own way; yet HASHEM laid on him the guilt of all of us" - Yesha'yahu 53:6 ✡
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Originally posted by Rational Gaze View PostThis is merely question begging, not to mention false. Anarchy is the political theory that a community is best organized by the voluntary cooperation of individuals, rather than by a government, which is regarded as being coercive by nature. It is the rejection of the use of violence against non-aggressors.
Originally posted by Rational Gaze View PostYou're fallaciously assuming that, because God allows governments to exist, He necessarily approves of them.
Romans 13: "1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience."
One day we all come under the direct rule of God with no intermediaries, but not while we're on earth.
So I say again, the concept of "christian anarchy" is an oxymoron. A Christian can not be an anarchist by definition.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Y'hoshua View PostI'll just leave this here...
[ATTACH=CONFIG]23792[/ATTACH]Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Rational Gaze View PostYeah, I don't "fight" for anarchy, either. Because Romans seems pretty clear that trying to overthrow the government is a no-no, and I'm happy to be a lawful citizen and not break any laws just because I think the government shouldn't exist. Most an-caps also prefer to use the term 'voluntarism', since anarchism is often used as a synonym for 'chaos' or rejection of authority per se (rather than a reference to a certain political theory), and also because it tends to be co-opted by commies who don't understand how economics works.
But my point was that if there were no government like you want, then you would in reality not have a peaceful existence because human nature is not peaceful. It is sinful and greedy. The worst in human society would end up creating chaos and destruction, killing, stealing, doing whatever they wanted because there would be no authority to stop them. It would be like one of those mad max movies. You would end up with people banding together in little tribes with warlords rampaging around the world taking what they wanted. You would not end up with a peaceful society where everyone cooperated. Just look at what goes on in third world countries where the government has fallen. Chaos.
The only way we are going to have a peaceful society where people get along is when Jesus comes back. In the meantime, states and governments are better than chaos.
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