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  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
    You're nothing if not a complete moron. Global warming isn't "liberalism" you jackass.
    Didn't you know that the 195 countries who signed the Paris Agreement are all liberals? The US and Syria are the only True Conservatives, obviously.
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    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Didn't you know that the 195 countries who signed the Paris Agreement are all liberals? The US and Syria are the only True Conservatives, obviously.
      Imagine that. Governments support something that gives them yet more power. Of course, global warming alarmist being flat wrong on basically all of their predictions seems to escape notice.
      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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      • Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
        According to Adherents.com Finland ranks seventh in people that are either atheist, agnostic or non-believers in God.
        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
          You're nothing if not a complete moron. Global warming isn't "liberalism" you jackass.
          But, sadly, it is a political/religious issue for those denying global warming. Only one major political party in the world denies climate change, and it's in charge of the most important political body in the world. It's an open hostility to science and evidence and facts that are becoming more and more undeniable.

          Every month of this year set a new record for the hottest monthly average global temperature in history. Fifteen of the 16 hottest years ever recorded have occurred in the 21st century. About the only place left on Earth where lawmakers openly and avidly deny the science of climate change is the U.S. Congress... more to the point, the Conservatives in the US Congress.

          http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...arming-w448023
          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
            According to Adherents.com Finland ranks seventh in people that are either atheist, agnostic or non-believers in God.
            That doesn't mean Finland is atheistic, any more than it is Christian.

            Besides, the people who built up the country from the ruins of the Winter and Continuation War were by and large Christian, which Christian values and (Lutheran) work ethic. My generation (both religious and non-religious) have an overwhelmingly religious older generation (our grandparents and their parents) to thank for our high living standards.

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            • Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
              That doesn't mean Finland is atheistic, any more than it is Christian.
              It means that between between 28% and 60% are either Atheist/Agnostic/Nonbeliever in God

              http://www.thechapmans.nl/news/Atheist.pdf

              Besides, the people who built up the country from the ruins of the Winter and Continuation War were by and large Christian, which Christian values and (Lutheran) work ethic. My generation (both religious and non-religious) have an overwhelmingly religious older generation (our grandparents and their parents) to thank for our high living standards.
              Whatever was the case in the past doesn’t explain why the socialistic/atheistic/agnostic/non-theist Finland of today, which is already ranked high in the IHDI, is beginning an experiment being run by the government, "in which 2,000 unemployed people between the ages of 25 and 58 will receive a guaranteed sum – a “basic income” – of €560 a month for two years. It replaces their unemployment benefit, but they will continue to receive it whether or not they find work. The government hopes it will encourage the unemployed to take on part-time work without worrying about losing their benefits."

              https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ges-fewer-jobs

              But, one wouldn't expect such an enlightened approach in the punitive, still actively Christian society of the USA.
              Last edited by Tassman; 09-22-2017, 03:10 AM.
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              • Chrawnrus is the only Finn on TWeb, he is Christian, therefore 100% of Finland is Christian.

                Also, everything good that ever happened in Finland is because of Christianity. Anything bad that ever happened there, was not due to Christianity.

                Facts don't count Tass, you've been on this site long enough to know that by now.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Chrawnrus is the only Finn on TWeb, he is Christian, therefore 100% of Finland is Christian.

                  Also, everything good that ever happened in Finland is because of Christianity. Anything bad that ever happened there, was not due to Christianity.

                  Facts don't count Tass, you've been on this site long enough to know that by now.
                  I’m still naïve enough to be amazed.

                  The argument that non-theistic Finland ranks so high in the IHDI (it’s 10th) must be due to its previous Christian heritage doesn’t make sense given that the still active Christian USA (and richest country in the world) only ranks 19th.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y-adjusted_HDI
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                  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                    Thats how I put my foot in my mouth defending liberalism? Geesh Sparko, can you not even keep track of what your accusation was from one post to the next?
                    Yes, Jimmy, you trashed Tassman's entire argument! Thanks buddy. I consider you an honorary Conservative Bigot. Welcome to the club! and that was just one example. You do that sort of thing all the time. Thus "foot in mouth"
                    Last edited by Sparko; 09-22-2017, 09:15 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Chrawnrus is the only Finn on TWeb, he is Christian, therefore 100% of Finland is Christian.

                      Also, everything good that ever happened in Finland is because of Christianity. Anything bad that ever happened there, was not due to Christianity.

                      Facts don't count Tass, you've been on this site long enough to know that by now.
                      I appreciate the fact that you seem to have a congenital inability to accurately portray the positions of your ideological opponents. This would be why you get snark, btw.
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                      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Chrawnrus is the only Finn on TWeb, he is Christian, therefore 100% of Finland is Christian.

                        Also, everything good that ever happened in Finland is because of Christianity. Anything bad that ever happened there, was not due to Christianity.

                        Facts don't count Tass, you've been on this site long enough to know that by now.
                        Yes, Tassman sure would know about that. Totally.
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                        • Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
                          Yes, Tassman sure would know about that. Totally.
                          Tassman? More like...Factsman!
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                          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            It means that between between 28% and 60% are either Atheist/Agnostic/Nonbeliever in God

                            http://www.thechapmans.nl/news/Atheist.pdf
                            For anyone not in the know, Tassman pulls out this same old biased survey at every available chance, even though we've shown its weaknesses in the past here and here.

                            A much better/newer approximation of Finland's beliefs comes from polls conducted by the European Commission in 2010, which tells us that, of those surveryed, 33% beleived "there is a God", 42% believed "there is some sort of spirit or life force", 22% did not believe "there is any sort of spirit, God or life force", and 3% didn't know.

                            So yeah, no. Finland isn't an atheistic nation. If we grant that label to any particular nation it'd be France (40%) or the Czech Republic (37%). The Czech Republic makes sense seeing as it's a post-Communist nation, and I'd be surprised if France's numbers haven't turned around as that nation becomes more Muslim.

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                            • Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                              For anyone not in the know, Tassman pulls out this same old biased survey at every available chance, even though we've shown its weaknesses in the past here and here.

                              A much better/newer approximation of Finland's beliefs comes from polls conducted by the European Commission in 2010, which tells us that, of those surveryed, 33% beleived "there is a God", 42% believed "there is some sort of spirit or life force", 22% did not believe "there is any sort of spirit, God or life force", and 3% didn't know.

                              So yeah, no. Finland isn't an atheistic nation. If we grant that label to any particular nation it'd be France (40%) or the Czech Republic (37%). The Czech Republic makes sense seeing as it's a post-Communist nation, and I'd be surprised if France's numbers haven't turned around as that nation becomes more Muslim.
                              So, 33% believe there is a god, that leaves 67% that don't believe, which makes them atheists regardless of how else you want to categorize them. That, I believe, pretty much confirms Tass's assertion. Good job Adrift.

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                              • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                                So, 33% believe there is a god, that leaves 67% that don't believe, which makes them atheists regardless of how else you want to categorize them. That, I believe, pretty much confirms Tass's assertion. Good job Adrift.
                                You would say that believing in "some sort of spirit or life force" is an accurate description of atheism?
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