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Response to Veretuesi post on Genesis and Fundamentalist Creationism
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. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWell yes. But because the text Acts 13:18-22 (v.22 reference 1 Kings 2:11) calculates 570 years over against 480 of 1 Kings 6:1. There being evidence that number could be wrong given that the LXX has 440 years. And in this case it is worse. A 90 to 130 year discrepancy. Acts account was more recently written and less likely to have a textual problem. And Hebrew texts being older is notorious for having some textual issues with numbers.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostTextual issues are concerned with how closely the extant documents match the original documents. They tell us nothing about whether we should believe what was in the original documents.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostYes, I'm aware of that. Did you think I wasn't?Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWhat elements of the narrative? And please, why?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI was being blunt to those who propose that it was the original texts that are accurate or infallible, which is a paradox, because no 'original texts' are known to exist for any book in the Bible.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI was being blunt to those who propose that it was the original texts that are accurate or infallible, which is a paradox, because no 'original texts' are known to exist for any book in the Bible.
Or do you deny that original documents (of Paul's letters, of example) EVER existed?"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." – Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Kbertsche View Post
Or do you deny that original documents (of Paul's letters, of example) EVER existed?Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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