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Last edited by seer; 12-15-2017, 07:41 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI was raised in a nominal Catholic home, in a largely Catholic neighborhood. My father went to church every week, my mother never did - except for weddings and funerals. I was consciously agnostic by the age of 12. That lasted, like I said, until I was 37. And yes, like I said that summer was very unusual as far as running into Christians. I spent most my life trying to stay away from them. There was another strange thing. I used to watch MTV a lot, the channel up from that had this guy Pat Robertson preaching all the time. I couldn't stand him, but more and more I found myself listening to him...
And I think I know what you mean about P. Robertson. I often find myself driving in a variety of cities, and I sometimes look for, and listen to, the local religious stations. The effect/impression is analogous to running my tongue over an aching tooth.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWhat does "consciously agnostic" mean?
And I think I know what you mean about P. Robertson. I often find myself driving in a variety of cities, and I sometimes look for, and listen to, the local religious stations. The effect/impression is analogous to running my tongue over an aching tooth.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI mean I was very aware that I no longer believed in God, if I ever really did.
And why do you use the term agnostic instead of atheist?
Originally posted by seer View PostExcept, even though I didn't like him, he was having an impact on my thinking, when he never did prior to this. Just one more small part of the puzzle.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo you did believe at first, then didn't, and then you had your major conversion experience?
And why do you use the term agnostic instead of atheist?
Any idea why that might be?
I agree with that, Christianity makes sense of the world for me.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI really can't remember if I ever really did believe in God in those young years, but I do remember rejecting the idea at 12.
Originally posted by seer View PostAn atheist says there is no god, I didn't think there was but I was not certain.
Originally posted by seer View PostCS Lewis said: “I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.”
I agree with that, Christianity makes sense of the world for me.
Thanks for sharing your story. It also helps to provide a framework for some of our discussions/debates to this point.Last edited by carpedm9587; 12-15-2017, 11:09 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostStar - there is something of a mocking tone to this post.
My own experiences, as I described, obviously impact how I think about experiences such as seer is describing."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostJust to be clear, I was being serious and factually recounting things that have happened to me. It was not some sort of fiction or parody.
My own experiences, as I described, obviously impact how I think about experiences such as seer is describing.
If I did misread you - I apologize.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou mentioned (earlier) your discomfort with some of the positions you held as an agnostic. If Christianity relieved that cognitive dissonance, I can see why it would have had a strong pull for you.
Thanks for sharing your story. It also helps to provide a framework for some of our discussions/debates to this point.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut my reservations were just not that nagging. Not nearly enough to explain the experiences I had for purely psychological reasons.
Originally posted by seer View PostAnd I do admit, again, that Christianity does make sense of the world for me. Never mind the hope and comfort it offers. Which is becoming more important to me the older I get.
And what kinds of "comfort" are you finding - especially as you get older?
Originally posted by seer View PostPeace new friend...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostI was raised in a nominal Catholic home, in a largely Catholic neighborhood. My father went to church every week, my mother never did - except for weddings and funerals. I was consciously agnostic by the age of 12. That lasted, like I said, until I was 37. And yes, like I said that summer was very unusual as far as running into Christians. I spent most my life trying to stay away from them. There was another strange thing. I used to watch MTV a lot, the channel up from that had this guy Pat Robertson preaching all the time. I couldn't stand him, but more and more I found myself listening to him...
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Originally posted by seer View PostI was raised in a nominal Catholic home, in a largely Catholic neighborhood. My father went to church every week, my mother never did - except for weddings and funerals. I was consciously agnostic by the age of 12. That lasted, like I said, until I was 37. And yes, like I said that summer was very unusual as far as running into Christians. I spent most my life trying to stay away from them. There was another strange thing. I used to watch MTV a lot, the channel up from that had this guy Pat Robertson preaching all the time. I couldn't stand him, but more and more I found myself listening to him...
https://joelx.com/pat-robertson-the-...orruption/168/“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSeer, no offense, but Pat Robertson, really, thats who changed your mind? I hope you know now what fraud he is.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWell God does indeed move in mysterious ways. Pat Robertson is a legendary scam artist on a scale most people can’t even imagine. He’s as bad as the Islamic theocracies in the Middle East; if he could have his way the USA would be run under a Christian dictatorship. He’s a true dominionist.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo, if you're willing, what specifically does Christianity do to "make sense" of the world that other worldviews don't?
And what kinds of "comfort" are you finding - especially as you get older?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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