Voter Fraud? Nothing To See Here....

[Starlight]

MM, you're confusing voter fraud and electoral fraud again. Can you count to two? Keep the two things separate please.

The Republican pretend efforts to stop imaginary voter fraud is a sham done with the aim of disenfranchising voters. And Trump's 'voter fraud' commission in particular, is an absolute joke on the subject. Among other things its headed by a guy with a track record of being the US's biggest voter suppressor. It also requested absurd amounts of personal details of voters from all the states and said it would make the data public, and close to every single state refused because it would be a massive privacy violation (Republican states refused as well, which I see you didn't report in your half-truth post above pretending that it was only democratic states that refused the absurd request). Their idea was that if they could get enough data they could find new and creative ways of voter suppression (in addition to the standard Republican methods of (1) voter ID laws to stop poor people without IDs voting, (2) deregistering people from the electoral roll under the pretense of clearing out old data, (3) the interstate cross check program that the Republican states came up with that's designed to take advantage of the fact that several relevant minority races have less variance in their names than white Americans tend to, so it strikes off people if someone from a different state has the same name and date of birth, under the ridiculous pretense that this is really the same person committing voter fraud by voting in each state.)

The amount of cheating the Republican party does in elections is pretty unbelievable really. Don't even get me started on gerrymandering...

[Sparko]

Is there, or is there not, a problem with many poor people not having I.D cards. Forget whether it makes sense to you. Is there such a problem? And there is, the NAACP stated that as many as 25% of African-American's didn't have I.D cards. http://www.politifact.com/texas/stat...25-percent-af/

Would suddenly creating a voter I.D law disenfranchise these people of their national right to vote. Of course.

Ergo making such laws is wrong, as the duty to vote implies having the free and unhindered ability to vote.



Democrats want to ensure that poor people don't have I.D cards?

This place really is turning into a conservative back-slapping session and echo chamber.

There's a town in the US where the office where you can get your I.D card, which is open only on a couple of days of the year on odd hours, as was shown on the Today Show by John Oliver. Clearly its not as simple as some person personally going out to these individuals, helping them sign the papers, and bingo they get their card. There's spotty service in a lot of areas, and for various reasons certain sections voting democrat are disproportionately affected.

In Denmark the health insurance card and the I.D card are one and the same, and we all universally receive one by mail when we come of age.

If its lost, we call a number and a get a new one, and the old is invalidated. If its stolen we can do the same. If we're dumb and accidentally destroy it, the same. No difference. We can call the office, write a letter to a certain address (and heck they still accept fax), go to a website, or we can go to the mayors office, which has to be open on more than one day per week, all year around.

If you're a danish person and you're physically handicapped, and you can't move about, you usually have someone who comes by and visits you at least once per week. He or she could easily help you get a new health insurance card.

I'm not sure why its a problem in the US. Why you have so many poor people lacking I.D cards, and why you conservatives seem to look down on them for it, rather than perhaps listening and try to figure out why its the case, and try to fix that problem before rushing out to create a new problem for poor people.

You'll have to be very careful about introducing a voter I.D requirement for voting, because, first of all, you'll have to have a problem of voter fraud which is something that, as Starlight rightly has pointed out, has never been adequately proved to be anything other than simple error, or electoral fraud. So you might be treating a problem that doesn't exist in the first place. This is good for politicians who love to sell simple stories to explain why their opponent almost won, or why he did win (as in the case of Obama), they get to look important, and look like they're doing something, while tickling bigots and xenophobes, but it doesn't help anyone. Second of all, if you suddenly introduce this demand, without making sure that poor people not only have access to I.D cards, but actually have I.D's then the liberals are right to criticize conservatives for systematically wanting to make sure a huge block of people can't vote.

Until the problem of people having universal access to I.D, and have actually obtained I.D is solved, I think its right to call out conservatives on this. It really appears not to be about stopping voting fraud, and very much about making sure that a large voter base for the Democrats is disenfranchised of their ability to cast a vote, all to solve a problem that very likely doesn't exist in the first place.

The reason they don't have ID cards is they don't want ID cards or are too lazy to get ID cards. Most are very cheap or free to get. Even if you don't have a drivers license, you can get a photo ID if you want one. It is not a issue of affordability or inconvenience. Just walk into the driver license bureau and stand in line for 15 minutes and get a photo ID.

These stories about people unable to get an ID are BS. The same place you get your drivers license is where you can get a nondriver photo ID, so if people could not get a photo ID then nobody could get a drivers license either and I can't imagine a town in which that would happen. There would be extreme outrage.

[seer]

The reason they don't have ID cards is they don't want ID cards or are too lazy to get ID cards. Most are very cheap or free to get. Even if you don't have a drivers license, you can get a photo ID if you want one. It is not a issue of affordability or inconvenience. Just walk into the driver license bureau and stand in line for 15 minutes and get a photo ID.

These stories about people unable to get an ID are BS. The same place you get your drivers license is where you can get a nondriver photo ID, so if people could not get a photo ID then nobody could get a drivers license either and I can't imagine a town in which that would happen. There would be extreme outrage.

I guess leftists think minorities are just to dumb to figure out how to get ID cards...

[lilpixieofterror]

MM, you're confusing voter fraud and electoral fraud again. Can you count to two? Keep the two things separate please.

The Republican pretend efforts to stop imaginary voter fraud is a sham done with the aim of disenfranchising voters. And Trump's 'voter fraud' commission in particular, is an absolute joke on the subject. Among other things its headed by a guy with a track record of being the US's biggest voter suppressor. It also requested absurd amounts of personal details of voters from all the states and said it would make the data public, and close to every single state refused because it would be a massive privacy violation (Republican states refused as well, which I see you didn't report in your half-truth post above pretending that it was only democratic states that refused the absurd request). Their idea was that if they could get enough data they could find new and creative ways of voter suppression (in addition to the standard Republican methods of (1) voter ID laws to stop poor people without IDs voting, (2) deregistering people from the electoral roll under the pretense of clearing out old data, (3) the interstate cross check program that the Republican states came up with that's designed to take advantage of the fact that several relevant minority races have less variance in their names than white Americans tend to, so it strikes off people if someone from a different state has the same name and date of birth, under the ridiculous pretense that this is really the same person committing voter fraud by voting in each state.)

The amount of cheating the Republican party does in elections is pretty unbelievable really. Don't even get me started on gerrymandering...

It's funny how a non American pretends, yet again, to know what is going on vs those who actually vote here. Many voter ID states already have procedures in place for those in need of ID cards or who don't have one. Many offer free IDs for voting purposes or you can fill out a form where you swear you are who you claim to be and you're allowed to vote. Yet again the media lies and doesn't tell people these sort of details. Reality is I have yet to find even one election that a republican has won by voter ID law and the media seems to have failed to find one yet or it would be blasted all over the news. Why care about the facts though when the media lie is something you prefer to believe?

[lilpixieofterror]

I guess leftists think minorities are just to dumb to figure out how to get ID cards...

Or don't even know the laws they are against.

[Sparko]

I guess leftists think minorities are just to dumb to figure out how to get ID cards...

Exactly true:

What whites think about blacks and IDs and what Blacks think.

[Mountain Man]

MM, you're confusing voter fraud and electoral fraud again.

No, I'm well aware that you're arguing semantics in order to avoid discussing the real issue.

[Mountain Man]

These stories about people unable to get an ID are BS. The same place you get your drivers license is where you can get a nondriver photo ID, so if people could not get a photo ID then nobody could get a drivers license either and I can't imagine a town in which that would happen. There would be extreme outrage.

You can't even get government assistance without a government issued ID or other form of verification, yet countless people across the US have no problem with this, but these are the same class of people that Democrats claim would be disenfranchised if an ID was required to cast a ballot.

[Sparko]

You can't even get government assistance without a government issued ID or other form of verification, yet countless people across the US have no problem with this, but these are the same class of people that Democrats claim would be disenfranchised if an ID was required to cast a ballot.

yep.

[Jedidiah]

Is there, or is there not, a problem with many poor people not having I.D cards. Forget whether it makes sense to you. Is there such a problem? And there is, the NAACP stated that as many as 25% of African-American's didn't have I.D cards. http://www.politifact.com/texas/stat...25-percent-af/

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Until the problem of people having universal access to I.D, and have actually obtained I.D is solved, I think its right to call out conservatives on this. It really appears not to be about stopping voting fraud, and very much about making sure that a large voter base for the Democrats is disenfranchised of their ability to cast a vote, all to solve a problem that very likely doesn't exist in the first place.

This is a phony issue created by liberals. The problem is not so much poor people, as poor black people. The problem is a direct result of liberals treating poor blacks as totally incompetent. They seem to think that blacks are not able to do all the things all other Americans, including the poor are able to do. This seems to have had a serious negative impact on the self evaluation of many poor black people.

[Mountain Man]

This is a phony issue created by liberals. The problem is not so much poor people, as poor black people. The problem is a direct result of liberals treating poor blacks as totally incompetent. They seem to think that blacks are not able to do all the things all other Americans, including the poor are able to do. This seems to have had a serious negative impact on the self evaluation of many poor black people.

Even worse, it's deliberate. Democrats do everything they can to keep blacks dependent on the government and then scare them into voting Democrat by claiming that Republicans will take away their benefits. It's rather insidious.

[Sparko]

Even worse, it's deliberate. Democrats do everything they can to keep blacks dependent on the government and then scare them into voting Democrat by claiming that Republicans will take away their benefits. It's rather insidious.

No you have it backwards. It's the Republicans that scare people into working, fearing that they will starve if they don't, instead of letting them relax in the comforting arms of the government who will take care of their every need by taking from the rich and giving to the poor, just like Robin Hood.

[Mountain Man]

Oh, right... how silly of me.

[demi-conservative]

There's a town in the US where the office where you can get your I.D card, which is open only on a couple of days of the year on odd hours, as was shown on the Today Show by John Oliver.

John Oliver is there to make people libtarded. Try not watching it!!!