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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI'm glad you agree that your life or humankind has no ultimate purpose in your worldview.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostLike I said seer, not liking the way the world seems to be, is not reason in itself to deny it. Everything begins to exist, and everything dies, including universes, because they are only temporal effects within the eternal infinite whole for which there can be no ultimate purpose, it just is. What would you say a Gods ultimate purpose is? Doesn't have one does he? So why do you think you should have an ultimate purpose?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostShuny, "intention" was part of the Webster definition for purpose. So tell me, what was the reason why natural laws created life?
Life was not necessarily 'Created.' That is a theological belief.
Definition: Reason - "a cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event."
The 'reason' and 'cause, explanation and justification' for the nature of our existence is Natural Laws and natural processes by the objective verifiable evidence.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim God just is, but the difference between God and not-god bears on human purpose and value."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIntention was an option and not necessary. I go with the Oxford definition which gave three specific options. Creation was only one option.
Life was not necessarily 'Created.' That is a theological belief.
Definition: Reason - "a cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event."
The 'reason' and 'cause, explanation and justification' for the nature of our existence is Natural Laws and natural processes by the objective verifiable evidence.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostLike I said, you have presupposition of purpose for existence. Whats gods purpose?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Charles View PostBut you cannot build that on something that just is (whatever that means) and does not have purpose. It is a dead end track, seer. Again you seem to avoid the tough questions by just making statements with no justification.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostShuny, I asked a specific question, what was the reason for our creation? If materialism is true there isn't one. Did nature create us to survive or not survive? You can say that the natural forces caused life on earth - but that is not a purpose.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThat is not the question. This question is answered as a matter of belief in God and Creation, and not objective verifiable evidence concerning the nature of our physical existence, life and evolution, which is the subject I addressed, and you have failed to respond.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat is just stupid Charles, if you believe that matter and energy are past eternal then they just are. You can not assign a purpose to them. So in that case you can not build anything on that."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostYou once again fail to adress the point. You want to build purpose on something that "just is" but does not have a purpose. It seems a God who "just is" but has not got an ultimate purpose is good enough for you. How would it differ from anything else that "just is" but does not have an ultimate purpose? You are yet to tell us what kind of purpose this can established this way.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostShuny, you said that was a purpose to our existence - there isn't if naturalism is true - period.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by seer View PostCharles, God being an intelligent Being had purposes, goals or aims. You seem to be asking for a purpose that is external to Him, some reason for His existence - that is just a stupid question. It is like asking the atheist what is the purpose of the universe."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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