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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    Revelation 20:15
    And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
    If it's only fear of the fire that keeps you from being a demon, then you are not perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect. That fear may save you from the fire, but it won't make you a pillar in the house of your God. Not that you would be one to desire such an end.

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    You are confused. I don't have any fear of fire, because I believe on the Son. That's the whole point.

    Also, the only thing that can make someone a pillar in the house of God is to believe on the Son.

    Revelation 3:12
    Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


    1 John 5:4-5
    For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?


    If you reject these teachings, then you may look like a lamb, but you talk like a dragon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    You are confused. I don't have any fear of fire, because I believe on the Son. That's the whole point.

    Also, the only thing that can make someone a pillar in the house of God is to believe on the Son.

    Revelation 3:12
    Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


    1 John 5:4-5
    For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?


    If you reject these teachings, then you may look like a lamb, but you talk like a dragon.
    But Yahweh is a fire-breathing dragon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darfius View Post
    So your notion of what the Lord meant is "these things will happen, but the end is still thousands of years away"?
    "My" notion is that we're in the millenial period, which was never meant to be taken as a literal thousand years.
    Quote Originally Posted by Darfius View Post
    Preterism has no "man of sin" that was revealed before the day of the Lord, a killer blow to the ideology. Yes, some things the Lord spoke of happened, but not all, meaning at the very least double fulfillment, but preterism never has been and never will be tenable. It's just another means "Christians" can avoid dealing with uncomfortable truths, like the pre-trib rapture
    In orthodox preterism the day of the Lord has not happened yet... so all you've got here is misinformation and insults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    You are confused. I don't have any fear of fire, because I believe on the Son. That's the whole point.

    Also, the only thing that can make someone a pillar in the house of God is to believe on the Son.

    Revelation 3:12
    Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


    1 John 5:4-5
    For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?


    If you reject these teachings, then you may look like a lamb, but you talk like a dragon.
    What does it entail to "overcome the world?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    "My" notion is that we're in the millenial period, which was never meant to be taken as a literal thousand years.
    Right, because God doesn't mean what He says.

    In orthodox preterism the day of the Lord has not happened yet... so all you've got here is misinformation and insults.
    "the day of the Lord has happened, but it hasn't happened yet"...do I even need to argue here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darfius
    What does it entail to "overcome the world?"
    It means to gain eternal life and to become a part of the kingdom that will ultimately dominate the globe.

    "the day of the Lord has happened, but it hasn't happened yet"...do I even need to argue here?
    The day of the lord might easily refer to more than one thing, depending on the context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    It means to gain eternal life and to become a part of the kingdom that will ultimately dominate the globe.
    And the verse for that is...?

    The day of the lord might easily refer to more than one thing, depending on the context.
    Not "more than one thing" thousands of years apart. One could interpret "a day as a thousand years to the Lord", but not two thousand!

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    And the verse for that is...?
    Which part are you having trouble with -- eternal life, or the victorious kingdom?

    Not "more than one thing" thousands of years apart. One could interpret "a day as a thousand years to the Lord", but not two thousand!
    That sounds pretty arbitrary.

    Even if you interpret Revelation 100% literally, there are at least 1003.5 years involved, which is more than a thousand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    In the chronology of Revelation, the man of sin (assuming it is either the first beast or second beast) arises is Revelation 13, which is after Satan is already cast down in Revelation 12. Satan's fall from heaven also corresponds to the stars falling from heaven and the sun turning black -- a.k.a. the Sixth Seal -- basically the same time that Jerusalem is destroyed. Therefore, yes, it is clear that the man of sin does not arise until some point after the fall of Jerusalem. It is an error of preterism to pretend that the man of sin arose before the fall of Jerusalem.

    But it's an error of futurism to pretend that Jerusalem must be destroyed twice (along with a whole different temple), just because you have trouble seeing how all the chronology fits together. I don't pretend to have all the answers yet. But I'm not willing to twist passages in order to make the answers appear.
    Is that why you didn't respond to my earlier post about 11:18? Because you don't have all the answers? I don't think anybody does, but it seems to me a little presumptious to divide Revelation into a timeline of events as you do, but everybody likes to speculate. So do you believe Revelation repeats or not?

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