Life after the eclipse (sign of Jonah)

[Darfius]

The sign of Jonah was Christ laying dead in the earth for 3 days.

Double fulfillment for the win

[Bill the Cat]

Double fulfillment for the win

[Sparko]

Astronomy isn't astrology, piglet.

astrology is finding mystical significance and signs in the positions of celestial objects. which is exactly what you are doing.

and there is nothing in the bible about a total eclipse in nineveh when Jonah was there. seems like that would be worth mentioning, such as "the Lord hid the sun as Jonah preached to the Ninevites"

[One Bad Pig]

Astronomy isn't astrology, piglet.

I never claimed it was.

Astronomy is not assigning mystical significance to particular alignments of planets and constellations.

[Darfius]

astrology is finding mystical significance and signs in the positions of celestial objects. which is exactly what you are doing.

and there is nothing in the bible about a total eclipse in nineveh when Jonah was there. seems like that would be worth mentioning, such as "the Lord hid the sun as Jonah preached to the Ninevites"

Genesis 1:14 explicitly says for "signs". Not sure what level of your stupidity I'm supposed to accept when you're ignoring explicit statements in the Bible.

[Rayado]

As usual, you guys are ignorant, but that won't stop you from running your mouths.

No, it's not that I'm ignorant; it's that I disagree. I've yet to see any Sept. 23rd person explain why the Sign of Jonah has anything to do with Rev. 12. So you are in fact the first of well over a dozen.

The "sign of Jonah" was the total solar eclipse local to America, which only happened one other time in 1776.

Not according to Jesus. Luke 11:30 has Jesus saying that Jonah himself was the sign to the Ninevites, not an eclipse; furthermore, Jesus rebuked the crowd for asking for a sign, and the three days that Jonah spent in the fish has always been the traditional interpretation of Jesus response, and the person of Jonah himself being the Sign points only to Jesus' time in the grave being what He meant, not some eclipse. What Biblical scholars agree with your view?

No significance there, right?

Right.

A total solar eclipse happened in Nineveh shortly before Jonah appeared, which likely led to the Ninevites obeying his call to repentance.

And here I thought it was Jonah's preaching and call to repentance. The book of Jonah mentions no eclipse. Why is that?

The total eclipse was not the Rev 12 sign, which involved more than "the sun going through Virgo." It was an alignment of the sun, moon, the constellations Virgo, Leo, Ophiuchus and the planets Venus, Mars, Mercury and Saturn, which doesn't happen "every now and then."

But there is precisely zero theological significance here. Alignments, no matter how intricate, don't matter without sound interpretation of Scripture, which is desperately lacking here.

The sign definitely happened.

Want to know the other reason I don't think September 23 amounted to a hill of eschatological beans? Here's why.

Nobody can look at the sun. If you can see the sun, you can't see the stars and planets around it; and if you can't see the sun, you can't see the stars around it because they're on the other side of the planet or it's cloudy. It can only be detected by star charts or software.

Which means it can't be seen directly. Revelation 12 is deeply symbolic; a sign that appeared (note the past tense) in the highest heaven. Most commentators say the woman represents Israel; some say the church; but none I know of say it is a constellation.

I never said the Rapture would happen.

Quite a few people enthusiastically predicted it. Now they have egg on their faces. Even if the end comes soon, which would be nice, it will have nothing to do with an astronomical alignment on that day. Or any other day. It is not how the signs are supposed to be interpreted.

[Darfius]

I never claimed it was.

Astronomy is not assigning mystical significance to particular alignments of planets and constellations.

You do know total eclipses are only possible because the sun is 400 times larger than the moon but also 400 times further away from earth, right? Is that more of a "coincidence" or more of a "sign" to you?

[One Bad Pig]

You do know total eclipses are only possible because the sun is 400 times larger than the moon but also 400 times further away from earth, right? Is that more of a "coincidence" or more of a "sign" to you?

It's evidence of design, IMO. You do know that total eclipses happen like every 18 months or so, right? The path of totality for this one just happened to cross the United States from coast to coast, which occurs ever and anon.

[Sparko]

Genesis 1:14 explicitly says for "signs". Not sure what level of your stupidity I'm supposed to accept when you're ignoring explicit statements in the Bible.

how does that change what I said astrology is as compared to astronomy? but specifically that is talking about using the stars to tell the seasons.

[rogue06]

You do know total eclipses are only possible because the sun is 400 times larger than the moon but also 400 times further away from earth, right? Is that more of a "coincidence" or more of a "sign" to you?

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You do know that the distance of the moon from the earth varies, right?

That is because its orbit is not a perfect circle. At its closest the moon is 225,623 miles away and its furthest at it is 252,088 miles away (that's a difference of 26,465 miles -- you can fit more than 3 earths in that space).

This is why there are annular eclipses and total eclipses

[Bill the Cat]

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[Darfius]

No, it's not that I'm ignorant; it's that I disagree. I've yet to see any Sept. 23rd person explain why the Sign of Jonah has anything to do with Rev. 12. So you are in fact the first of well over a dozen.

You disagree because you're ignorant. Quit waiting for people to explain things to you and seek the Lord's face for yourself. "There shall be signs in the sun, moon and stars."

Not according to Jesus. Luke 11:30 has Jesus saying that Jonah himself was the sign to the Ninevites, not an eclipse; furthermore, Jesus rebuked the crowd for asking for a sign, and the three days that Jonah spent in the fish has always been the traditional interpretation of Jesus response, and the person of Jonah himself being the Sign points only to Jesus' time in the grave being what He meant, not some eclipse. What Biblical scholars agree with your view?

What Pharisees (Bible scholars) agreed that Jesus was the Messiah? Experts can be wrong. It's one thing to speak Hebrew. It's quite another to speak righteousness.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/solar-ecl...sign-from-god/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_eclipse

The Assyrian eclipse, also known as Bur-Sagale (Bur-Saggile, Pur-Sagale or Par-Sagale) eclipse, was a solar eclipse that occurred on 15 June 763 BC (proleptic Julian calendar). It was recorded in Assyrian eponym lists, most likely in the ninth year of the reign of king Ashur-dan III

Scripture Verse: 2 Kings 14

25 He [Jeroboam II]was the one who restored the boundaries of Israel from Lebo Hamath to the Dead Sea, in accordance with the word of the Lord, the God of Israel, spoken through his servant Jonah son of Amittai, the prophet from Gath Hepher.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeroboam_II

William F. Albright has dated his reign to 786–746 BC, while E. R. Thiele says he was coregent with Jehoash 793 to 782 BC and sole ruler 782 to 753 BC

Jonah was the primary sign, but the sky going dark during midday probably helped him make an entrance, don't you think? Wait, didn't the sky go dark during midday for Jesus, too? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Right.

Wrong

And here I thought it was Jonah's preaching and call to repentance. The book of Jonah mentions no eclipse. Why is that?

Really? You thought the dude who ran from the Lord and whined about a plant was such a powerful orator that he convinced a nation renowned in the ancient world for its cruelty to repent with a sense of urgency? There were a lot of "prophets" preaching a lot of stuff back then, just like today. What set Jonah apart? Maybe the sky going dark during midday helped?

But there is precisely zero theological significance here. Alignments, no matter how intricate, don't matter without sound interpretation of Scripture, which is desperately lacking here.

"there shall be signs in the sun, moon and stars" I'm trying to think if Jesus could have been more explicit. Nope. Pay attention.

Want to know the other reason I don't think September 23 amounted to a hill of eschatological beans? Here's why.

Nobody can look at the sun. If you can see the sun, you can't see the stars and planets around it; and if you can't see the sun, you can't see the stars around it because they're on the other side of the planet or it's cloudy. It can only be detected by star charts or software.

And how could God have foreseen modern technology or that it would play a role in our lives?

Which means it can't be seen directly. Revelation 12 is deeply symbolic; a sign that appeared (note the past tense) in the highest heaven. Most commentators say the woman represents Israel; some say the church; but none I know of say it is a constellation.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. A sign is not the event itself, but something pointing symbolically towards it. A "wake up call."

Quite a few people enthusiastically predicted it. Now they have egg on their faces. Even if the end comes soon, which would be nice, it will have nothing to do with an astronomical alignment on that day. Or any other day. It is not how the signs are supposed to be interpreted.

"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars" means what to you, exactly?

You're welcome for doing your homework for you.

[Bill the Cat]

What Pharisees (Bible scholars) agreed that Jesus was the Messiah?

Nicodemus.

[Darfius]

Nicodemus.

Yes, and Joseph of Arimathea. The point is, most didn't. Don't be contrary just to be contrary, Bill

[rogue06]

Nicodemus.

Paul: "I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee" (Acts 23:6)