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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe geocentric model was the science of the day. They even had observable evidence and mathematical models that confirmed it. Copernicus just questioned the science of the day and came up with a simpler model that explained the observations.Last edited by Tassman; 09-22-2017, 12:26 AM.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post"Settled science" is just another way of invoking "The Consensus". Who says, "It's settled science that the Moon orbits the Earth"? Nobody, because the evidence speaks for itself. This is not the case with "global warming". If it was then "scientists" wouldn't be forced to play fast and loose with the data.
And to say that "there is no verifiable evidence supporting Christianity" is astoundingly ignorant, like saying, "There is no verifiable evidence that George Washington was the first President of the United States."
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostYes it is the case with "global warming", this is the point.
Ah, it's the "Show me the evidence! Oh, wait, not that evidence!" routine.
Let's assume you're right, that no eyewitness accounts were written down until 40-years after the Resurrection. How is that not evidence? You do realize that within 40-years is considered extremely early by ancient standards, don't you? Actually, 40-years is the extreme outside range -- the fact that none of the gospels record the destruction of the temple in 70AD is significant -- and there is evidence of an oral tradition that began within months of the Resurrection.
So, yeah, like I said, you're astoundingly ignorant. I'd love it if some of you brainless wonders would actually study the history of Christianity if only because I'd be thrilled to see you guys present an informed argument for once.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe geocentric model was the unquestioned religion-basedThe fool wants to turn the whole art of astronomy upside-down. However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid the sun to stand still and not the earth."Last edited by Sparko; 09-22-2017, 09:27 AM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postyou truly are a moron, Tassman. The geocentric model was not invented by Christians. The greeks used hundreds of years before Jesus. It was early scientists who came up with it from observations. They even calculated the orbits of the planets.That's what
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Speaking of Galileo, it's a complicated story, or at least far more complicated and nuanced than the "science vs. religion" dichotomy that idiots like Tass and Jimmy think it is. The following article is well worth reading.
Here's the summary:
Last edited by Mountain Man; 09-22-2017, 11:02 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postyou truly are a moron, Tassman. The geocentric model was not invented by Christians. The greeks used it hundreds of years before Jesus. It was early scientists who came up with it from observations. They even calculated the orbits of the planets.Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-22-2017, 12:00 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIt is not a matter of 'who invented it?' It is a fact the Martin Luther and many if not most Christians believed it, as well as a literal Genesis Creation relying on the testimony of the Church Fathers."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSpeaking of Galileo, it's a complicated story, or at least far more complicated and nuanced than the "science vs. religion" dichotomy that idiots like Tass and Jimmy think it is. The following article is well worth reading.
Here's the summary:
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIt is not a matter of 'who invented it?' It is a fact the Martin Luther and many if not most Christians believed it, as well as a literal Genesis Creation relying on the testimony of the Church Fathers.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSpeaking of Galileo, it's a complicated story, or at least far more complicated and nuanced than the "science vs. religion" dichotomy that idiots like Tass and Jimmy think it is. The following article is well worth reading.
Here's the summary:
Some folks will not learn.
While the issue is considerably more complicated than is often portrayed the simple fact is that someone is not threatened with facing charges of heresy and going before the Inquisition unless there is a religious element involved.
The early Church Fathers picked the Ptolemaic model precisely because it matched up with what they thought the Bible taught and flatly rejected other models (including Euclid's and other heliocentric models) because they thought they didn't align with what Scripture taught.
It is a profoundly instructional lesson about the hazards of trying to use the Bible as a science text book, one, that has, unfortunately, not been learned by far too many.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnswersinGenesis [ATTACH=CONFIG]24156[/ATTACH]
Some folks will not learn.
While the issue is considerably more complicated than is often portrayed the simple fact is that someone is not threatened with facing charges of heresy and going before the Inquisition unless there is a religious element involved.
The early Church Fathers picked the Ptolemaic model precisely because it matched up with what they thought the Bible taught and flatly rejected other models (including Euclid's and other heliocentric models) because they thought they didn't align with what Scripture taught.
It is a profoundly instructional lesson about the hazards of trying to use the Bible as a science text book, one, that has, unfortunately, not been learned by far too many.
You know, I started to compose a longer rebuttal, but what's the point? All I can say is, don't be a dumbass and just read the damn article, OK?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostGalileo was tried by the church for heresy.
I'll give you a hint: It wasn't his science that got him in trouble. "The Court of Inquisition did not accuse Galileo of teaching against the Bible, but of disobeying a papal decree."
Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostBtw, do you know what the Papal decree was that Galileo disobeyed; because you didn't mention it?
Anyway, let's go to the source: "Galileo obtained the right to print his major work DialogoDialogo of three scientists, always asks the silly questions and defends the Ptolemaic view of the world."Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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