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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    Saying the word (Jesus) be God and be God in John 1:1-2 means there is more than one God which is against the fact that God is one God in 1 Timothy 2:5 that "God is one God"
    Absolutly not. There is only one God. And the Word, John 1:1-3,, is the sole access to God, John 14:6.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    Absolutly not. There is only one God. And the Word, John 1:1-3,, is the sole access to God, John 14:6.
    If the Father is the "ONLY TRUE GOD" in John 17-1-3, how can Jesus be with God if Jesus is God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    If the Father is the "ONLY TRUE GOD" in John 17-1-3, how can Jesus be with God if Jesus is God?
    Jesus is the eternal Word of God. The Word of God is eternal. The Word became flesh.
    Last edited by Christian3; 04-22-2020 at 10:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    If the Father is the "ONLY TRUE GOD" in John 17-1-3, how can Jesus be with God if Jesus is God?
    God is uncause, invisible (John1:18), infinite, and omnipresent. Now in John 1:1-2 says twice that the Word was "with the God.° "The God," there is only the one God. Now the Word is how God makes Himself known. So when God does anything He does so by way of His Son (John 1:3). Acts are always finite, local and temporal. Something God is not without His Son. Now what has always been with God has to also to be God with the God or would not to have been always with the God. see Colossians 1:14-18.
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    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    If the Father is the "ONLY TRUE GOD" in John 17-1-3, how can Jesus be with God if Jesus is God?
    YHWH is the only true God. Jesus called Him Father. The one true God is one God in three persons, Father His Word (son by relationship) and His spirit.

    It is the Word of God who was with the Father, the eternal Word of God. The Word of God is His agent for creation. You see God and His Word and His Spirit in the beginning of Genesis.

    The Word of God became flesh in the human body of Jesus of Nazareth. This happened about 2,000 years ago. Before that time Jesus of Nazareth as a man did not exist.

    The One True God is the only God as opposed to idols:

    2 Chronicles 15:

    3 For a long time Israel was without the true God, without a priest to teach and without the law. 4 But in their distress they turned to the LORD, the God of Israel, and sought him, and he was found by them. (Israel was worshiping idols then.)

    The true God vs idols.

    Jeremiah
    10 But the LORD is the true God;
    he is the living God, the eternal King.
    When he is angry, the earth trembles;
    the nations cannot endure his wrath.
    11 "Tell them this: 'These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.' "


    The true God vs idols.

    1 Thessalonians 1:9
    9for they themselves report what kind of reception you gave us. They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God,

    The true God vs idols

    1 John 5:20-21
    20We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
    21Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.

    True God vs idols

    John 17:3

    John 17:3 (New International Version)
    3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    True God vs false gods/idols

    Jesus is saying there is only one God/Creator -- YHWH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    YHWH is the only true God. Jesus called Him Father. The one true God is one God in three persons, Father His Word (son by relationship) and His spirit.

    It is the Word of God who was with the Father, the eternal Word of God. The Word of God is His agent for creation. You see God and His Word and His Spirit in the beginning of Genesis.

    The Word of God became flesh in the human body of Jesus of Nazareth. This happened about 2,000 years ago. Before that time Jesus of Nazareth as a man did not exist.

    The One True God is the only God as opposed to idols:

    2 Chronicles 15:

    3 For a long time Israel was without the true God, without a priest to teach and without the law. 4 But in their distress they turned to the LORD, the God of Israel, and sought him, and he was found by them. (Israel was worshiping idols then.)

    The true God vs idols.

    Jeremiah
    10 But the LORD is the true God;
    he is the living God, the eternal King.
    When he is angry, the earth trembles;
    the nations cannot endure his wrath.
    11 "Tell them this: 'These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.' "


    The true God vs idols.

    1 Thessalonians 1:9
    9for they themselves report what kind of reception you gave us. They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God,

    The true God vs idols

    1 John 5:20-21
    20We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
    21Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.

    True God vs idols

    John 17:3

    John 17:3 (New International Version)
    3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    True God vs false gods/idols

    Jesus is saying there is only one God/Creator -- YHWH.
    You claiming "YHWH is the only true God. Jesus called Him Father. The one true God is one God in three persons, Father His Word (son by relationship) and His spirit" is not correct biblically because this one true God is ONLY the Father because Jesus described the Father as "THE ONLY TRUE GOD" in John 17:1-3. Secodn, the Holy Spirit cannot be God because Jesus denied that anyone knows when his second coming "BUT ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36 where Jesus said "of that day and that hour no one knows not even the angels in heaven BUT ONLY THE FATHER"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    You claiming "YHWH is the only true God. Jesus called Him Father. The one true God is one God in three persons, Father His Word (son by relationship) and His spirit" is not correct biblically because this one true God is ONLY the Father because Jesus described the Father as "THE ONLY TRUE GOD" in John 17:1-3. Secodn, the Holy Spirit cannot be God because Jesus denied that anyone knows when his second coming "BUT ONLY THE FATHER" in Matthew 24:36 where Jesus said "of that day and that hour no one knows not even the angels in heaven BUT ONLY THE FATHER"
    Jesus explained this to His disciples, Acts 1:7, ". . . And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. . . ." The Son is not the Father.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    Jesus is the eternal Word of God. The Word of God is eternal. The Word became flesh.
    According to John 1:1-2, the Word (i.e. Jesus) was with God and the Word was God. This requires two GODS, which is polytheism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    Jesus explained this to His disciples, Acts 1:7, ". . . And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. . . ." The Son is not the Father.
    You saying "The Son is not the Father" is true and the Son CANNOT be God because Jesus said in Rev 3:21 " I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne" proving that since God is one, Jesus cannot be God and be with God the Father.

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