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    Ἐν ἀρχῇ translates "b'reishit", the first word of the Hebrew bible = Torah = (Greek) νόμος

    So John 1:17 is other formulation of "and the word became flesh" :

    ὅτι ὁ νόμος διὰ Μωϋσέως ἐδόθη, ἡ χάρις καὶ ἡ ἀλήθεια διὰ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐγένετο.

    https://twitter.com/Minkmaat/status/989778752543641600

    for the law was given through Moses, the grace and the truth came through Jesus Christ.

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    this hits the nail on the head;

    https://www.wowdiscoveries.com/what-is-gematria

    The Bible tells us that God, created the universe with His speech. When the Bible uses human terms to describe God it is speaking in the language of man so that we can understand the Bible. However, God is not a physical being that He would have a mouth to speak.
    By insisiting on that Jesus should be the word and also God the trinitarians bury the word of which John speaks in his prologue.

    Like if it doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
    this hits the nail on the head;

    https://www.wowdiscoveries.com/what-is-gematria



    By insisiting on that Jesus should be the word and also God the trinitarians bury the word of which John speaks in his prologue.

    Like if it doesn't matter.
    Nobody is saying that Jesus is God's literal voice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Nobody is saying that Jesus is God's literal voice.
    Look at this Edited by a Moderator

    https://www.debijbel.nl/bijbel/BGT/Johannes-1

    Although Dutch it is wording it like you would do in English

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    He compares it to the sun

    https://www.wowdiscoveries.com/what-is-gematria


    The anaogy of this is the sun. Within the sun there is light only it is one and the same as the sun and a single ray of light cannot be distiguished. But once the ray is emitted from the sun it becomes a separate entity. But this is only a perception as nothing can be truly separated from its source.
    the word in the beginning is the source

    https://twitter.com/Minkmaat/status/1127438742409576453

    the source even of all languages.

    source = Greek πηγη

    LXX translates the "ed" of Genesis 2:6 with πηγη

    (it went up to water the entire surface of the ground so that Hashem God could form man out of it)

    πηγη also in Revelation 21:6

    to the thirsty i will give to drink out of the source of the water of life for free

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    In nutshell, Jesus called theos does not make Jesus really God in nature because God is one in 1 Corn 8:4 but Jesus was siting with the Father on his throne in Rev 3:21 where Jesus said "I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    In nutshell, Jesus called theos does not make Jesus really God in nature because God is one in 1 Corn 8:4 but Jesus was siting with the Father on his throne in Rev 3:21 where Jesus said "I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne"
    well you got the NUT part right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Same Hakeem View Post
    In nutshell, Jesus called theos does not make Jesus really God in nature because God is one in 1 Corn 8:4 but Jesus was siting with the Father on his throne in Rev 3:21 where Jesus said "I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne"
    You're arguing against modalism, Patrick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    You're arguing against modalism, Patrick.
    He sits around for a while till he thinks people have forgotten about a thread, then just repeats the same nonsense that was refuted over and over earlier in the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    You're arguing against modalism, Patrick.
    The fact remains that Biblically Jesus cannot be GOD and be with God as per John 1:1-2.

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