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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    God did not change. How the Word was with God did change.
    the son reveals the father

    John 1:18
    Matthew 11:27
    Luke 10:22

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
    the son reveals the father

    John 1:18
    Matthew 11:27
    Luke 10:22
    John 12:40-41, "He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him."

    Isaiah 6;5, 8-10,". . . said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. . . . I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me. And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. . . ."
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    The Word in John 1 is Jesus! Claiming otherwise is as asinine to me as if someone claimed that Clark Kent couldn't be Superman because Clark wears glasses.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    The Word in John 1 is Jesus! Claiming otherwise is as asinine to me as if someone claimed that Clark Kent couldn't be Superman because Clark wears glasses.
    Wait, what? Clark Kent is Superman?

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    John 1:14
    καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν etc.

    Most translations have "and dwelt among us"

    A faulty translation due to the misunderstanding of the preceding "and the word became flesh"

    ἐν = within

    "among us" would have been μεθ' ἡμῶν -- μετά = with

    The same ἐν used in John 14:20,
    ἐν ἐκείνῃ τῇ ἡμέρᾳ γνώσεσθε ὑμεῖς ὅτι ἐγὼ ἐν τῷ πατρί μου καὶ ὑμεῖς ἐν ἐμοὶ κἀγὼ ἐν ὑμῖν

    Here no one translates with "among us"
    https://biblehub.com/john/14-20.htm

    proving the trinitarian corruption

    Question also was: who are/were the "we" of John 1:14?

    " ...and we saw His glory..."

    I bet only those who did receive the true light

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
    John 1:14
    καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν etc.

    Most translations have "and dwelt among us"

    A faulty translation due to the misunderstanding of the preceding "and the word became flesh"

    ἐν = within

    "among us" would have been μεθ' ἡμῶν -- μετά = with

    The same ἐν used in John 14:20,
    ἐν ἐκείνῃ τῇ ἡμέρᾳ γνώσεσθε ὑμεῖς ὅτι ἐγὼ ἐν τῷ πατρί μου καὶ ὑμεῖς ἐν ἐμοὶ κἀγὼ ἐν ὑμῖν

    Here no one translates with "among us"
    https://biblehub.com/john/14-20.htm

    proving the trinitarian corruption

    Question also was: who are/were the "we" of John 1:14?

    " ...and we saw His glory..."

    I bet only those who did receive the true light
    And you have or have not?

    John 1:1, . . . και θεος ην ο λογος . . . .

    John 1:14, . . . και ο λογος σαρξ εγενετο και εσκηνωσεν εν ημιν . . . .

    John 20:28, . . . και ειπεν αυτω ο κυριος μου και ο θεος μου . . . .
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
    John 1:14
    καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν etc.

    Most translations have "and dwelt among us"

    A faulty translation due to the misunderstanding of the preceding "and the word became flesh"

    ἐν = within
    Source: Louw-Nida

    … a position within an area determined by other objects and distributed among such objects—‘among, with.’

    Johannes P. Louw and Eugene Albert Nida, Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains (New York: United Bible Societies, 1996), 712–713.

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    Blessings,
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    "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
    John 1:14
    καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν etc.

    Most translations have "and dwelt among us"

    A faulty translation due to the misunderstanding of the preceding "and the word became flesh"

    ἐν = within

    "among us" would have been μεθ' ἡμῶν -- μετά = with

    The same ἐν used in John 14:20,
    ἐν ἐκείνῃ τῇ ἡμέρᾳ γνώσεσθε ὑμεῖς ὅτι ἐγὼ ἐν τῷ πατρί μου καὶ ὑμεῖς ἐν ἐμοὶ κἀγὼ ἐν ὑμῖν

    Here no one translates with "among us"
    https://biblehub.com/john/14-20.htm
    For one thing, "you" is not "us". υμεις is not ημιν. Second person plural is not first person plural.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    For one thing, "you" is not "us". υμεις is not ημιν. Second person plural is not first person plural.
    yes that was a typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
    Source: Louw-Nida

    … a position within an area determined by other objects and distributed among such objects—‘among, with.’

    Johannes P. Louw and Eugene Albert Nida, Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains (New York: United Bible Societies, 1996), 712–713.

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    Blessings,
    Lee

    The first word of John is also ἐν

    Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος

    It corresponds with the ἐν in John 1:14

    Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν



    ἀρχή is a word

    ἀρχή = beginning; origin; first cause; ruling power, authority, ruler; elementary principle; corner (of a cloth)

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