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    Quote Originally Posted by Bibleuser View Post
    Good point Sparko

    Isaiah 43:10, Jehovah said: “Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.”

    [B] The point is that Jehovah had no predecessor, that no god existed before him[/B], for he is eternal. There will be no god with the same likeness after Jehovah because he will always exist and will have no successors as the Supreme Sovereign. Yet, Jehovah did produce others that he himself called gods, as an example the Scriptures show by saying concerning certain humans: “I myself have said, ‘You are gods, and all of you are sons of the Most High. Surely you will die just as men do; and like any one of the princes you will fall!’” (Psalm 82:6,*7) Similarly, the Word was a god created by Jehovah, but that did not make Jesus equal to Almighty God at any time.
    Psalm 82 is him actually condemning those so-called "gods" - did you read the part about "surely you will die just as men do?" He is saying they are NOT Gods, they are men and will die like men. He is condemning those judges, not praising them. Jehovah continually says that he is the only TRUE God. Any other 'gods' are false gods. They are not gods at all.



    Philippians 2:6
    who, although he was existing in God’s form, . . .
    Gah! He is saying that Jesus IS GOD. If there is only one God and Jesus is in "the form of God" then HE IS GOD.

    At Psalm 8:5, for example, we read: “You also proceeded to make him [man] a little less than godlike ones.” (Hebrew,*’elohimʹ; “a god,” New English Bible, Jerusalem Bible) The Greek Septuagint Version renders ’elo·himʹ here as “angels.” The Jewish translators of this version saw no conflict with monotheism in applying the term for God to created spirit persons.

    As a few examples.
    Hope this helps.
    BU
    You really need to get a modern bible translation instead of the horrid JW version you use.

    elohim can mean angel or judge in hebrew depending on the context, but the context in the Old Testament and New is that there is only ONE True God, Jehovah YHWH and no other. NONE. All other gods are false gods. And the NT never used "elohim" since it is written in greek. And it says in many placed directly that Jesus is GOD. not "A" God. Therefore Jesus is either the same God as Jehovah, or he is a false God and you should not follow him.

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    Also Jehovah says he will not share his glory with anyone else:

    Is. 42:8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my GLORY will I NOT GIVE ANOTHER

    Yet Jesus shares his glory:

    John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

  3. Amen Cerebrum123 amen'd this post.

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