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  • #61
    Originally posted by Adrift View Post
    Well, and again contrary to Starlight's goofy claim that other nations stare at the US as if we were crazy when sports attendees chant "USA" at games, and that no other nations do that, it sounds like you guys do it with gusto in Denmark,
    I prefer "We are red, and we are white, we stand together, side by side." to "And it was Denmark, and it was Denmark, Ole Ole Ole" (both horribly directly translated for your ease of understanding)

    Ya gotta wonder where Starlight got this naive notion that other nations don't do this.
    Well I wouldn't say that Danes don't consider our American friends strange. You guys have big cars, big hats, big boots, big steaks, you have loud and dramatic politics, and huge everything. Big boobs and big plastic duck bill lips, big billionaires with big planes and big boats. We're just as much fascinated with it as we find it a bit off putting. However I don't know a single dane, except vegans, who wouldn't want a plate of Southern Soul Food. I often joke that I'd never live in the US, but I'd love to visit for a year and come home fourty pounds heavier.

    Your politics though is somewhat concerning to us, as are your news. If anything those are the ones people are kinda dismayed about. The drama of it. We don't really have elections like that in Denmark. And our news reports are, and this is my personal experience so you can be free to dismiss it, more neutral. We don't really have those talking heads that CNN and Fox News have that comment on everything. Its currently being experimented with by Danish Radio (the publically funded news broadcast), but its not ubiguitous, and having twenty political parties all with various mandates kinda helps none of the heads falling too much into one group. Each dane usually have a couple of parties they identify with.

    But beyond that danes are just as proud of our country as you are of yours. More so probably, as you can probably tell about how often I talk about mine.

    There is such a thing as a toxic and poisonous nationalism, but there's also such a thing as love of your father country. I can easily sort between those two. I don't care about skinhead nazis in Denmark (and yes we have them to), who walk around with the danish flag and hate on jews and anyone with a different shade of skin. I don't care, never have and never will. People can burn the flag, hate on it, a serial killer could strangle an entire kindergarden with the flag, it wouldn't change my opinion, that's their problem not mine.

    I can't imagine the taste in a persons mouth if they stopped loving their flag, and being proud of who they are and where they come from. Having that is the first thing you need in order to improve things. Taking ownership of where you're from and who you are. I mean how else are you going to take part in solving the problems? I'd rather stick around and be part of a solution.

    I love being a dane, I'm proud of my country, and its history, and what it stands for, I love my Queen, the nature and my neighbours.

    I wear the red and white colors on me every single day. And if anyone doubts me, they can visit me and ask me and I'll show them. I expect the Americans to be just as unashamed about being American, proud of being citizens of the USA. Love their country, even though its flawed, you love it still and you're proud of it.

    Last edited by Leonhard; 09-16-2017, 04:26 PM.

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      • #63
        Just to be clear, I was not referring to sporting events. Chanting something to support your team at sporting events is standard practice worldwide. It's the unusually patriotic/nationalistic american behaviors outside of sporting events that people find weird.

        I saw a flag flying yesterday in someone's yard as I was driving across town. That's a fairly rare practice here, so I found it noteworthy, given this thread. It was a danish flag as it happens. I recall seeing another flag flying in someone's yard a couple of weeks ago, which was Russian or Dutch (those countries need to get more dissimilar flags). I don't believe any government entities in the city fly a NZ flag (e.g. the council buildings don't have one), the most common place I see a NZ flag is a couple of hotels in the city like to fly half a dozen flags out front based on where their current guests are from, so there's often a NZ flag among them.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Just to be clear, I was not referring to sporting events. Chanting something to support your team at sporting events is standard practice worldwide. It's the unusually patriotic/nationalistic american behaviors outside of sporting events that people find weird.
          But my OP was about a sporting event and you took exception...
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
            I love being a dane, I'm proud of my country, and its history, and what it stands for, I love my Queen, the nature and my neighbours.
            Good for you!
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            • #66
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              But my OP was about a sporting event
              I've just noticed that. Hence my desire to be absolutely clear that I was not criticizing cheering during international sporting events.

              Your OP is a more complicated situation. It's a local sporting event between teams that are both from your country. So chanting USA seems nonsensical - that's not cheering for a team, it's cheering for a country that both teams live in. It's either a bizarre show of patriotism in the vein of the typical American ideological/pathological obsession with your own country. Or it's a deliberate attempt to annoy those players perceived by some at the event to be "not real Americans", which is why the OP article wants to ban the chant, and fair enough too.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                [Danish National Anthem Video]
                Sadly we have a very boring old national anthem that sounds like a funeral dirge, it needs to be updated to a more modern one, like Australia's or Scotland's. They have nice ones.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                  I prefer "We are red, and we are white, we stand together, side by side." to "And it was Denmark, and it was Denmark, Ole Ole Ole" (both horribly directly translated for your ease of understanding)



                  Well I wouldn't say that Danes don't consider our American friends strange. You guys have big cars, big hats, big boots, big steaks, you have loud and dramatic politics, and huge everything. Big boobs and big plastic duck bill lips, big billionaires with big planes and big boats. We're just as much fascinated with it as we find it a bit off putting. However I don't know a single dane, except vegans, who wouldn't want a plate of Southern Soul Food. I often joke that I'd never live in the US, but I'd love to visit for a year and come home fourty pounds heavier.
                  This is all mostly just stereotyping. America isn't really like this everywhere. It seems like when a lot of Europeans imagine America, they're mostly imagining places like Texas, or what you see in movies and TV shows which often take place in LA (or, more commonly now, Vancouver and Toronto). I imagine that most Danes would feel relatively comfortable in the upper corners of America where people act and think more European (at least in my experience). Places like Maine, Vermont, Upper NY, and New Hampshire on the East Coast, and Northern California, Washington, and Oregon on the West. Even the local politics seem more Euro-centric in those places.


                  Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                  Your politics though is somewhat concerning to us, as are your news. If anything those are the ones people are kinda dismayed about. The drama of it. We don't really have elections like that in Denmark. And our news reports are, and this is my personal experience so you can be free to dismiss it, more neutral. We don't really have those talking heads that CNN and Fox News have that comment on everything. Its currently being experimented with by Danish Radio (the publically funded news broadcast), but its not ubiguitous, and having twenty political parties all with various mandates kinda helps none of the heads falling too much into one group. Each dane usually have a couple of parties they identify with.
                  Yeah, the politics here are terrible. Everything is super polarizing. That's why I find myself pretty disinterested in them. In fact, I think you'd be surprised how many people in the US just want to tune politics out altogether. It just makes people depressed and anxious, and we don't have enough options, so everyone will root for their side even if they don't like half the things that side does.




                  Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                  But beyond that danes are just as proud of our country as you are of yours. More so probably, as you can probably tell about how often I talk about mine.

                  There is such a thing as a toxic and poisonous nationalism, but there's also such a thing as love of your father country. I can easily sort between those two. I don't care about skinhead nazis in Denmark (and yes we have them to), who walk around with the danish flag and hate on jews and anyone with a different shade of skin. I don't care, never have and never will. People can burn the flag, hate on it, a serial killer could strangle an entire kindergarden with the flag, it wouldn't change my opinion, that's their problem not mine.

                  I can't imagine the taste in a persons mouth if they stopped loving their flag, and being proud of who they are and where they come from. Having that is the first thing you need in order to improve things. Taking ownership of where you're from and who you are. I mean how else are you going to take part in solving the problems? I'd rather stick around and be part of a solution.

                  I love being a dane, I'm proud of my country, and its history, and what it stands for, I love my Queen, the nature and my neighbours.

                  I wear the red and white colors on me every single day. And if anyone doubts me, they can visit me and ask me and I'll show them. I expect the Americans to be just as unashamed about being American, proud of being citizens of the USA. Love their country, even though its flawed, you love it still and you're proud of it.

                  I hear ya. I'm not a big American flag waving type guy myself, and don't care about anthems, and the whole rah-rah-rah, Go USA stuff. I think it's often silly, and some people tend to make an idol out of all of it, but I generally understand the reason people are proud of these sorts of things. As much as I don't buy into all of that jingoistic type Americana stuff, videos like this one where a Canadian audience finished the American anthem bring a lump to my throat.



                  When I lived in Germany, I thought it was a bit sad how disheartened people seemed when it came to national pride. The constant guilt hanging over the heads of even young people for two world wars, and the Nazi legacy made it so that the concept of pride and patriotism is completely verbotten.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    I've just noticed that.
                    Good idea to, you know, read the OP next time you decide to chime in with your two cents on it.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Sadly we have a very boring old national anthem that sounds like a funeral dirge, it needs to be updated to a more modern one, like Australia's or Scotland's. They have nice ones.
                      Please don't imitate the Australian anthem. It's a dire tune, and the words are materialistic doggerel. ' With golden soil and weath for toil'. Bleh. Our national anthem is just fine. A bit old-fashioned perhaps but talks about our national character rather than how lucky we are to have lots of rocks.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
                        Please don't imitate the Australian anthem. It's a dire tune, and the words are materialistic doggerel. ' With golden soil and weath for toil'. Bleh. Our national anthem is just fine. A bit old-fashioned perhaps but talks about our national character rather than how lucky we are to have lots of rocks.
                        I agree the focus on moral principles / our national character in the words of our anthem is good. I would be totally happy with keeping most of the words, as long it was set to a more up-beat tune rather than the traditional funeral-dirge hymnal music. It's obviously inappropriate for the anthem to mention God everyone sentence in a country that's now ~50% non-religious, so a little bit of editing to scrub overt religion out of it would be appropriate for it to be an anthem all kiwis could actually unite behind, though I suspect its constant mention of God is a major reason you currently like it.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
                          Please don't imitate the Australian anthem. It's a dire tune, and the words are materialistic doggerel. ' With golden soil and weath for toil'. Bleh. Our national anthem is just fine. A bit old-fashioned perhaps but talks about our national character rather than how lucky we are to have lots of rocks.
                          The music portion of ours comes from an old British drinking song

                          I'm always still in trouble again

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                            This is all mostly just stereotyping. America isn't really like this everywhere. It seems like when a lot of Europeans imagine America, they're mostly imagining places like Texas, or what you see in movies and TV shows which often take place in LA (or, more commonly now, Vancouver and Toronto).
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                            A bit of an over simplification since the educated ones have heard of Florida and know that you can find Disneyworld and gators there.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              The music portion of ours comes from an old British drinking song
                              Given our national character that is perfect!
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                                He considered Japanese honorary Aryans. And Hitler was not planning on exterminating everyone who wasn't aryan anyway.
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