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Originally posted by Sparko View Postand 1/3 of the lynchings in the USA were of whites."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSo size means they are exempt from the rules. You really want to use that as your argument?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThat claim seemed preposterous at face value, so I looked into it... That figure comes from 1950s data that counted Mexicans, Native Americans, and Chinese as "white" because they weren't "black". In actual fact there were very few lynchings of people that we today would call 'white' (there were a few during the civil war, and there was a small spate of persecution of Italian immigrants later).
http://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI got the data from the NAACP so I am pretty sure it is correct."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostListen, you psycho, it doesn't cause a difference in our gut reaction to it. Any sane, rational individual...you know, the type who doesn't go for the killing of 6 month-olds...would have a gut reaction to it whether it was a black child or a white child.Last edited by RumTumTugger; 09-18-2017, 09:49 PM.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostFirstly, learn that historical context matters. The US has a history of race-based lynchings of blacks. It doesn't have a history of lynching whites."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostActually it does, you ignoramus. Lynching was never exclusively aimed at blacks, it was aimed at particularly terrible criminals (or at least those accused of it). You don't hear much about white people also having been lynched because white people haven't built a fraudulent victimhood industry around it.
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostActually it does, you ignoramus. Lynching was never exclusively aimed at blacks, it was aimed at particularly terrible criminals (or at least those accused of it). You don't hear much about white people also having been lynched because white people haven't built a fraudulent victimhood industry around it.
"From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these people that were lynched 3,446 were black. The blacks lynched accounted for 72.7% of the people lynched. These numbers seem large, but it is known that not all of the lynchings were ever recorded. Out of the 4,743 people lynched only 1,297 white people were lynched. That is only 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes".
In short, mostly blacks were lynched or white supporters opposed to the lynchings.
http://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostTheir own research had the same failings. e.g. this compilation uses the categories 'Negro' and 'white'.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt pretty well was actually:
"From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these people that were lynched 3,446 were black. The blacks lynched accounted for 72.7% of the people lynched. These numbers seem large, but it is known that not all of the lynchings were ever recorded. Out of the 4,743 people lynched only 1,297 white people were lynched. That is only 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes".
In short, mostly blacks were lynched or white supporters opposed to the lynchings.
http://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostNo, you're just utterly ignorant.
Firstly, learn that historical context matters. The US has a history of race-based lynchings of blacks. It doesn't have a history of lynching whites.
That is false. I cited the Politifact article to Tass in another thread that cited the numbers. While only a third the number of whites were lynched in the 68 year period of lynching popularity, there were still over 1,000 whites lynched in the same areas and time frames. So, while the history isn't nearly as bad, there most certainly IS a history of lynching whites in the US using the same criteria for "a history of lynching" of blacks.
In that context, in talking about or depicting a lynching, it makes a big difference who is being depicted as being lynched because it conveys a different impression and refers to a different thing.
Second, learn that incitement to violence is not the same as an artistically provocative thought experiment.
The guy is not saying "we should lynch whites, go out and lynch whites!", he's saying "think about how it makes you feel when you see the historical stereotype inverted and a white person swapped in for where a black person usually is, and ask yourself why this image causes a difference in your gut reactions to it".
The reactions from conservatives in this forum to race-based social justice issues in the US just ooze ignorance. You guys don't even seem to ask basic questions like "what is this person trying to achieve?", you skip straight to "this annoys me/offends me, I'm sure they must be out to get me, they must be bad". Your level of willful ignorance is sad.That's what
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post
Second, learn that incitement to violence is not the same as an artistically provocative thought experiment. The guy is not saying "we should lynch whites, go out and lynch whites!", he's saying "think about how it makes you feel when you see the historical stereotype inverted and a white person swapped in for where a black person usually is, and ask yourself why this image causes a difference in your gut reactions to it".
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostMost normal people would say no, there is no difference of feeling. Lynching someone is wrong no matter what color they are. No one agrees with lynching anyone except a very, VERY small few idiots.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
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Originally posted by Roy View Post...and the many thousands who formed the lynch mobs that carried out all those lynchings.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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