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  • #31
    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    It pretty well was actually:

    "From 1882-1968, 4,743 lynchings occurred in the United States. Of these people that were lynched 3,446 were black. The blacks lynched accounted for 72.7% of the people lynched. These numbers seem large, but it is known that not all of the lynchings were ever recorded. Out of the 4,743 people lynched only 1,297 white people were lynched. That is only 27.3%. Many of the whites lynched were lynched for helping the black or being anti lynching and even for domestic crimes".

    In short, mostly blacks were lynched or white supporters opposed to the lynchings.

    http://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/
    Black murder rates are much higher than white murder rates. Same with rape (especially interracial rape). And the US didn't have a massive prison system back then. So it's not the least bit surprising that the black lynching rate was much higher.
    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
      Black murder rates are much higher than white murder rates. Same with rape (especially interracial rape).
      Why is this do you think? Are black people intrinsically more evil then white people...is that why they murder and rape more frequently than whites? Or could it be that the marginalisation of blacks results in the breakdown of social norms among the black community? I suggest the latter. So what is the US going to do about it?

      And the US didn't have a massive prison system back then.
      It is nothing to be proud of that the USA has the highest rates of incarceration in the world, by far (it’s double that of China, which has a billion more people than the USA) with a grossly disproportionate percentage of blacks incarcerated.

      So it's not the least bit surprising that the black lynching rate was much higher.
      Lynching is not the application of justice, it's racially-based mob rule.
      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        Or could it be that the marginalisation of blacks results in the breakdown of social norms among the black community? I suggest the latter. So what is the US going to do about it?
        Then how come we did not see this kind of violence back in the day when blacks were more marginalized - by far. I mean Tass, doesn't the black community need to take some responsibility. Whose fault is it that 70% of inner city kids grown up without a dad in the home?


        It is nothing to be proud of that the USA has the highest rates of incarceration in the world, by far (it’s double that of China, which has a billion more people than the USA) with a grossly disproportionate percentage of blacks incarcerated.
        Because blacks commit a disproportionate rate of violent crime.
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Tassman View Post
          Why is this do you think? Are black people intrinsically more evil then white people...is that why they murder and rape more frequently than whites?
          It's a direct result of the "gangsta" culture. The idolization of people like Dre, Suge, Tupac, Snoop, and Biggie and the gang-style life they all celebrated in their music coincides pretty identically with the rise in black on black murder and other violent crime.

          Or could it be that the marginalisation of blacks results in the breakdown of social norms among the black community?
          Nope. Single parent/fatherless homes is what sociologists blame for the breakdown in the black community.

          I suggest the latter. So what is the US going to do about it?
          The way to effectively battle the problem of a negative influence on society is through education. This education, however, will not take place within the walls of a school. In these cases, it is more important to educate parents and adults than children, so they can then try to regulate what they will allow to be present in their environment.


          It is nothing to be proud of that the USA has the highest rates of incarceration in the world, by far
          Um, no it doesn't. The Seychelles has 799 per 100,000. There are 133 nations that have a higher rate than China, including New Zealand and Australia.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rceration_rate
          That's what
          - She

          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post


            The way to effectively battle the problem of a negative influence on society is through education. This education, however, will not take place within the walls of a school. In these cases, it is more important to educate parents and adults than children, so they can then try to regulate what they will allow to be present in their environment.
            The only solution is Jesus.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
              It's a direct result of the "gangsta" culture. The idolization of people like Dre, Suge, Tupac, Snoop, and Biggie and the gang-style life they all celebrated in their music coincides pretty identically with the rise in black on black murder and other violent crime.
              The “gangsta culture” is far more likely the consequence of racial discrimination than its cause.

              Nope. Single parent/fatherless homes is what sociologists blame for the breakdown in the black community.
              “President Johnson left no doubt about how the breakdown of the black family structure had come about. “For this, most of all, white America must accept responsibility,” Johnson said. Family breakdown “flows from centuries of oppression and persecution of the Negro man. It flows from the long years of degradation and discrimination, which have attacked his dignity and assaulted his ability to produce for his family.”

              https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ration/403246/

              The way to effectively battle the problem of a negative influence on society is through education. This education, however, will not take place within the walls of a school. In these cases, it is more important to educate parents and adults than children, so they can then try to regulate what they will allow to be present in their environment.
              Proactive government adjustment of the grossly inequitable distribution of the national wealth is what’s required along with a reduction of racial discrimination.

              Um, no it doesn't. The Seychelles has 799 per 100,000. There are 133 nations that have a higher rate than China, including New Zealand and Australia.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rceration_rate
              Um, yes it does. From the same link:

              “The United States has the largest prison population in the world, and the second-highest per-capita incarceration rate, behind Seychelles (which in 2014 had a total prison population of 735 out of a population of around 92,000).In 2013 in the USA, there were 698 persons incarcerated per 100,000 population.

              While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners.”

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...rceration_rate

              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              The only solution is Jesus.
              Nonsense! The more secular countries rank far higher on the IHDI than the predominantly Christian USA
              Last edited by Tassman; 09-20-2017, 11:44 PM.
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                The “gangsta culture” is far more likely the consequence of racial discrimination than its cause.

                “President Johnson left no doubt about how the breakdown of the black family structure had come about. “For this, most of all, white America must accept responsibility,” Johnson said. Family breakdown “flows from centuries of oppression and persecution of the Negro man. It flows from the long years of degradation and discrimination, which have attacked his dignity and assaulted his ability to produce for his family.”
                This is nonsense and does not explain why the black family has gone from bad to worse even after billions of dollars flowed into their cities via the Great Society, even in light of the fact that blacks have much more opportunity today than they did back in the 30s, 40s,and 50s.
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  This is nonsense and does not explain why the black family has gone from bad to worse even after billions of dollars flowed into their cities via the Great Society, even in light of the fact that blacks have much more opportunity today than they did back in the 30s, 40s,and 50s.
                  You conservatives insist on getting 'tough on crime' and thus imprisioning a lot more black men for much longer, and then you turn around and whinge about them not being there for their families. You're the one's who've taken them away from their families. The problem is you.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                    The “gangsta culture” is far more likely the consequence of racial discrimination than its cause.
                    It has nothing to do with discrimination. Nor does discrimination have anything to do with the disproportionately high crime rate in black communities.


                    “President Johnson left no doubt about how the breakdown of the black family structure had come about.
                    Johnson was President in the 60's when the single parent household in the black community was only 25% according to the Moynihan Report. That number has tripled today.


                    “For this, most of all, white America must accept responsibility,” Johnson said. Family breakdown “flows from centuries of oppression and persecution of the Negro man. It flows from the long years of degradation and discrimination, which have attacked his dignity and assaulted his ability to produce for his family.”
                    Horse poop. Pulitzer-prize winning journalist George Will said in 2010 "A young social scientist from Harvard working in the Labor Department published a report. His name was Daniel Patrick Moynahan. He said, 'There is a crisis in the African American community, because 24 percent of African American children are born to unmarried women.' Today it’s tripled to 72 percent. That, and not an absence of rights, is surely the biggest impediment.”

                    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ration/403246/



                    Proactive government adjustment of the grossly inequitable distribution of the national wealth is what’s required along with a reduction of racial discrimination.
                    Bologna. I'll let a black man answer your nonsense:

                    *** Masked Profanity Warning ***



                    Um, yes it does. From the same link:

                    “The United States has the largest prison population in the world, and the second-highest per-capita incarceration rate,
                    STOP right there. You said "It is nothing to be proud of that the USA has the highest rates of incarceration in the world, by far "

                    Now you say it has the SECOND highest rate. You were wrong. Number of incarcerated is not rate of incarcerated.

                    behind Seychelles (which in 2014 had a total prison population of 735 out of a population of around 92,000).In 2013 in the USA, there were 698 persons incarcerated per 100,000 population.
                    Which proves my point that you were wrong.

                    While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners.”
                    That's not incarceration rate, stupid. Quit making BS claims.


                    Nonsense! The more secular countries rank far higher on the IHDI than the predominantly Christian USA
                    List the factors that go into IHDI and where the US falls short, and then compare those with expected Christian behavior.
                    Last edited by Bill the Cat; 09-21-2017, 08:04 AM.
                    That's what
                    - She

                    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      You conservatives insist on getting 'tough on crime' and thus imprisioning a lot more black men for much longer, and then you turn around and whinge about them not being there for their families. You're the one's who've taken them away from their families. The problem is you.
                      No, moron. It's that they continue to commit crimes. Stop committing crimes, don't get locked up, and you can be there for your family. It's not rocket science.
                      That's what
                      - She

                      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        You conservatives insist on getting 'tough on crime' and thus imprisioning a lot more black men for much longer, and then you turn around and whinge about them not being there for their families. You're the one's who've taken them away from their families. The problem is you.


                        Right, we make them go out and break the law.


                        Much better if we just let criminals and gangsta's stay out of prison because they will be much better role models for their children that way.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          You conservatives insist on getting 'tough on crime' and thus imprisioning a lot more black men for much longer, and then you turn around and whinge about them not being there for their families. You're the one's who've taken them away from their families. The problem is you.
                          Black people have no agency in your mind. It's why you think white people are to blame when they get sent to prison for breaking the law. Since to you blacks are less evolved than the brainy whites, they cannot be held accountable for their actions. I really did nail it when I pointed out how in sync liberalism and white supremacy are. You just play this silly game where you pretend you think they're your equal to get conservatives to do destructive things out of shame/pity. BTW there's zero evidence they are mostly being sent to prison by conservatives anyway. They mostly govern themselves locally, and there aren't a lot of black conservatives. It's mostly other blacks and white liberals sending them to prison.
                          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            Why is this do you think? Are black people intrinsically more evil then white people...is that why they murder and rape more frequently than whites? Or could it be that the marginalisation of blacks results in the breakdown of social norms among the black community? I suggest the latter. So what is the US going to do about it?
                            Nice attempt to change the subject but in this case it doesn't really help you. Since blacks were poorer and had fewer economic opportunities back then then it only makes sense that their crime rates were even higher. 75% isn't that much higher than 50% compared with the much higher poverty levels and the like. But if you believe blacks commit more crimes because they are poor then you cannot claim the lynch rate is in any way abnormal or a direct product of their race, which would make your earlier comments dishonest. But if you DO think the lynch rate is mostly a product of racial discrimination then you have to out yourself as someone who believes the higher crime rates are innate to blacks, and furthermore since you believe that you must also believe that blacks have no agency in this regard, which would explain why you think punishing them for it is unjustified. Like shooting a gorilla at a zoo because a kid wandered into his pen.

                            It is nothing to be proud of that the USA has the highest rates of incarceration in the world, by far (it’s double that of China, which has a billion more people than the USA) with a grossly disproportionate percentage of blacks incarcerated.
                            Blacks are disproportionately incarcerated pretty much everywhere. They're actually even more disproportionately imprisoned in Britain, Britain just has a lot fewer of them so people are not aware of stuff like this. China has a high incarceration rate mostly because it's a police state. It has completely different demographics and isn't really worth comparing to.

                            Lynching is not the application of justice, it's racially-based mob rule.
                            It's not racially based unless you think blacks are inherently more criminal than whites. And let's face it, both you and your buddy starlight believe that, you just use it as a weapon to call CONSERVATIVES racist because they are dumb enough to take your statements on the issue in good faith and it works, like stealing halloween candy from children. Other than that I agree, I don't approve of lynching, especially when there is a justice system in place to deal with crimes.
                            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                              It has nothing to do with discrimination. Nor does discrimination have anything to do with the disproportionately high crime rate in black communities.
                              It has nothing to do with discrimination so why the higher levels of crime among blacks? Are blacks just intrinsically bad and inferior human beings? The KKK would be the first to agree with you.

                              Pulitzer-prize winning journalist George Will said in 2010 "A young social scientist from Harvard working in the Labor Department published a report. His name was Daniel Patrick Moynahan. He said, 'There is a crisis in the African American community, because 24 percent of African American children are born to unmarried women.' Today it’s tripled to 72 percent. That, and not an absence of rights, is surely the biggest impediment.”

                              https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ration/403246/
                              But WHY are so many black children born to unmarried women. It's clearly a major social problem so what is being done about it?

                              Which proves my point that you were wrong.

                              That's not incarceration rate, stupid. Quit making BS claims.
                              Stop shouting you hysterical fool. OK, “the United States has the largest prison population in the world and the second-highest per-capita incarceration rate, behind Seychelles. Big deal! It’s is still double that of Communist China in absolute terms, even though China has a billion more people than the USA.

                              Ranking, Prison Population Total incarcerations:

                              1 United States of America: 2 145 100

                              2 China: 1 649 804

                              http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest...xonomy_tid=All

                              List the factors that go into IHDI and where the US falls short, and then compare those with expected Christian behavior
                              The IHDI combines a country’s average achievements in health, education and income with how those achievements are distributed among country’s population...in the case of the US it is very inequitably distributed compared to the more secular countries that top the list. .

                              As for expected Christian behaviour I suggest you read up on what Jesus said about the poor and underprivileged.
                              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                                Nice attempt to change the subject but in this case it doesn't really help you. Since blacks were poorer and had fewer economic opportunities back then then it only makes sense that their crime rates were even higher.
                                It does, but the question is WHY blacks are poorer with fewer economic opportunities, which render them more likely to turn to crime. And what's being done about it?

                                75% isn't that much higher than 50% compared with the much higher poverty levels and the like. But if you believe blacks commit more crimes because they are poor then you cannot claim the lynch rate is in any way abnormal or a direct product of their race,
                                So for you it’s understandable that lynching happens to blacks who commit crimes? What about whites who commit crimes?

                                which would make your earlier comments dishonest. But if you DO think the lynch rate is mostly a product of racial discrimination then you have to out yourself as someone who believes the higher crime rates are innate to blacks, and furthermore since you believe that you must also believe that blacks have no agency in this regard, which would explain why you think punishing them for it is unjustified. Like shooting a gorilla at a zoo because a kid wandered into his pen.
                                Desperate and marginalised individuals have less choice and less “agency” than the rest of us due to their deprived circumstances. Although, there will always be exceptions, just as there will be exceptions among those who had all the advantages in life but still go bad.

                                Blacks are disproportionately incarcerated pretty much everywhere. They're actually even more disproportionately imprisoned in Britain, Britain just has a lot fewer of them so people are not aware of stuff like this. China has a high incarceration rate mostly because it's a police state. It has completely different demographics and isn't really worth comparing to.
                                Communist China with 1.3 billion people, compared to the USA with a population of 323,127,513 has an incarcerated population which is approx half that of the USA. So what does that say about the US compared to the Police State of China?

                                It's not racially based unless you think blacks are inherently more criminal than whites. And let's face it, both you and your buddy starlight believe that, you just use it as a weapon to call CONSERVATIVES racist because they are dumb enough to take your statements on the issue in good faith and it works, like stealing halloween candy from children. Other than that I agree, I don't approve of lynching, especially when there is a justice system in place to deal with crimes.
                                Glad to hear it. Neither do I.
                                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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