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  • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Do you think if literally everyone was likewise incentivized and completed their training and looked for skilled jobs, that there would be enough skilled jobs to go around?
    Yes. Not all skilled jobs are the same.


    Or do you think some people would still be unemployed and others having to work at low-skilled jobs despite their best efforts?
    There will always be people unemployed and others who don't have the aptitude for skilled jobs. That will be the case no matter what laws or social programs are passed. It is not the responsibility of McDonald's to support everyone who is unemployed or unskilled to the level that a skilled job would. Their business model is selling cheap food quickly. They do it by keeping their costs down by hiring unskilled workers who are mostly teenagers. The serve a purpose of giving jobs to kids starting out or going through school. They don't serve a purpose for creating a career or supporting out of work engineers with a family who can't find a job elsewhere.

    Do you understand that our modern economies always have unemployment that rarely goes much lower than 4%, and thus there will always be people without jobs no matter how hard they are trying, and always people who have to take low-skilled jobs because there aren't high-skilled jobs available?
    duh.

    And your ongoing efforts to argue that people with low-skill jobs are lazy and bad and don't deserve the kinds of benefits that more skilled jobs have is sickening.
    I never said that. But it is a fact of life that low paying jobs don't pay great benefits. To force them to do so would basically shut down the company and then there would be even more people out of work.

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    • Originally posted by guacamole View Post
      I think your economics are slightly off there. A restaurant can make do with slightly fewer staff and take care of its people who still charging consumers the price the goods are actually worth. The problem is that corporations have decided that their chief moral responsibility is to share holders, and thus they'd have to make less profit. I get it: supposedly then there would be less investment in growing the business, but with more people making a reasonable wage, then more people are able to pay for goods and services. More jobs can be created by a population that is making more. Didn't we settle this with Ford and the model-T? If you pay your workers enough to afford finished goods, then they will help grow the economy. If we don't pay people well, the shareholders get profits while the rest of us subsidize the working poor.

      fwiw,
      guacamole
      I think you have no idea how much it costs to run a restaurant or supply benefits. Every once in a while, I hear of a restaurant opening which decides to pay its workers $15/hour. A little while later, I hear of it closing because it cannot sustain its business model.
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      • Originally posted by guacamole View Post

        I think your economics are slightly off there. A restaurant can make do with slightly fewer staff and take care of its people who still charging consumers the price the goods are actually worth. The problem is that corporations have decided that their chief moral responsibility is to share holders, and thus they'd have to make less profit. I get it: supposedly then there would be less investment in growing the business, but with more people making a reasonable wage, then more people are able to pay for goods and services. More jobs can be created by a population that is making more. Didn't we settle this with Ford and the model-T? If you pay your workers enough to afford finished goods, then they will help grow the economy. If we don't pay people well, the shareholders get profits while the rest of us subsidize the working poor.

        fwiw,
        guacamole
        It isn't just corporations but small mom and pop controlled restaurants. The fact is that restaurants are very risky business ventures with IIRC the highest rate of failure[1]. Profit margins can be incredibly thin.

        Further, many Europeans are unaware that waiters and waitresses tend to survive on their tips (tipping is essentially unheard of overseas FWIU). In the 90s I dated a girl who was a waitress at a middle to upper scale restaurant who would bring home between $100 and $150 in tips each night (that's roughly $32,500/yr in tips).









        1 At my last job one of my bosses quit to open a restaurant with his girlfriend who was a pretty well known chef around here. When I mentioned the high failure rate he noted that her last restaurant was successful -- it remained open for either 6 or 7 years. Not sure if that is typically considered a success in that business but it wouldn't be my idea of one. Btw, FWIU their restaurant closed after 6 months.

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        • 2016 McDonalds Japan tanked. 2017 New CEO: wages increased, product improved (more expensive), most profitable year on record for McDonalds Japan.
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          • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            We actually had a referendum to try to change the flag recently, because our current flag often gets confused with the Australian flag:


            I voted in the referendum to change our flag to this one:



            Unfortunately retaining the current flag won the majority vote. ~sigh~


            P.S. I guess I should add for the US audience though that flag waving / saluting / obsession / whatever is pretty uncommon here compared to the US. I've never waved or saluted or pledged any kind of allegiance to a NZ flag in my entire life, and I guess I happen to see one on average about once every three months or so.
            That one was my favourite too although I did like both the much older Hundertwasser design [1] and the flag of the United Tribes.[2]

            [1:]

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            Last edited by kiwimac; 12-10-2017, 09:33 PM.
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            • In a surprise today, the New Zealand Prime Minister announced she is pregnant and her baby is due in June.

              (press conference starts at 9 mins 30 seconds in)


              She says she'll take 6 weeks off for the birth of the baby, and the Deputy PM will be acting-PM during that time as he would be if she was overseas. After that, she'll return to work and her partner, who hosts a TV show on fishing, will become a full-time dad.

              She learned of her surprise pregnancy less than a month after being elected. I think she may be the first leader to give birth while in office, though Pakistan's Benazir Bhutto gave birth in 1988 only 2 months before beginning her first term as PM there.

              Meanwhile her government continues its pretty ambitious set of first-100 days policy actions...
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              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                In a surprise today, the New Zealand Prime Minister announced she is pregnant and her baby is due in June.

                (press conference starts at 9 mins 30 seconds in)


                She says she'll take 6 weeks off for the birth of the baby, and the Deputy PM will be acting-PM during that time as he would be if she was overseas. After that, she'll return to work and her partner, who hosts a TV show on fishing, will become a full-time dad.

                She learned of her surprise pregnancy less than a month after being elected. I think she may be the first leader to give birth while in office, though Pakistan's Benazir Bhutto gave birth in 1988 only 2 months before beginning her first term as PM there.

                Meanwhile her government continues its pretty ambitious set of first-100 days policy actions...
                I never thought I would ever utter the words " Our PM is pregnant!"
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                • Congrats to her!

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