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  • #31
    Sorry I didn't read this thread earlier. Thank you for your effort in sharing details about your election, Starlight. I do appreciate your work.
    Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      Germans have better cakes too.
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      Coconut is da debil!!
      That's what
      - She

      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
        Coconut is da debil!!
        There is no coconut in a Black Forest Cake! It is icing!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          There is no coconut in a Black Forest Cake! It is icing!
          But there is in German Chocolate cake...
          That's what
          - She

          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

          I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
          - Stephen R. Donaldson

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
            But there is in German Chocolate cake...
            Yeah that's nasty.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
              I find it funny that the US is chided for the Electoral College, especially this year when Hillary "won the popular vote", but in NZ, Jacinda lost the popular vote, yet can still be PM if the coalition chooses Labor to partner with.
              The position of PM doesn't have remotely close to the power that the US position of President does - PM is more akin to the Press Secretary. On a certain level it doesn't matter who the PM is, and they can be easily replaced at any point.

              Nobody 'wins' the popular vote in most MMP elections (i.e. no party gets over 50%). What the system produces though is a government comprised of multiple parties who put together won the popular vote (>50% of the vote).
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #37
                Prime Minister is not an elected position. The PM is appointed by the cabinet and approved by the Governor-General.
                "Obama is not a brown-skinned, anti-war socialist who gives away free healthcare. You are thinking of Jesus." Episcopal Bishop of Arizona

                I remember WinAce. Gone but not forgotten.

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                • #38
                  The election outcome has basically put NZ First in the drivers seat, as they have to decide whether they want to go into a coalition with the right (National) or the left (Labour + Greens).

                  Their leader, Winston Peters, is currently enjoying milking the attention and power for all it's worth and enjoying insulting reporters on a daily basis as they press him for a decision, and says he will hold off announcing his decision at least until the vote are fully counted and confirmed on 5th October.

                  Reddit NZ has rebranded in his honour:


                  WE VOTE... HE DECIDES

                  When will he decide? Winston, oh Winston, have mercy on us all.

                  The above is partially tongue in cheek. It's a relatively rare outcome to grant one small party this much power. And it's because the vote was pretty much equally distributed between the right and left, so the small centrist party is the one left tipping the balance. Whichever way they go, a majority of voters will have voted for the parties that make up the coalition government. NZ First have to decide which way they want to tip based on whatever factors they feel like (who their policies generally align better with, who they think they can work with best, which parties offer them the better deal in terms of cabinet positions and policies of theirs, who has annoyed them least lately).

                  This party in the past at different times has been in coalition governments with both the left and the right. I think a lot of people are now expecting him to go with the left (I am now rating it 70% to 30% that he goes left), because the right treated him pretty badly this election, however the situation was similar in 1996 and he went with the right (which absolutely shocked everyone at the time because he'd campaigned on the claim he was going to go left and not right).
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #39
                    A belated final update to this thread...

                    After coalition talks, a center-left Government formed at the end of October comprised of:
                    Labour (center/center-left economically, centrist/liberalish socially): 45 seats
                    NZ First (left-wing, conservative): 9 seats
                    (Supported by) Green (left-wing, liberal): 7 seats

                    Opposition:
                    National (right-wing, conservative/centrist-ish): 58 seats
                    Act (libertarian - i.e. right-wing, liberal): 1 seat

                    So the new Prime Minister is Jacinda Ardern. At 37 years old she's our youngest-equal PM ever, and the 3rd female PM:



                    Today, after 39 days in office, she signed the first two bills into law: Increasing paid parental leave from 18 to 26 weeks; and introducing a Warrent of Fitness for rental houses to ensure they are healthy (Mold and lack of insulation and heating in many old rental properties has been an ongoing public health issue). She seems to like doing a Facebook livestream every week, and livestreamed signing the bills today (at least she doesn't Tweet controversially):
                    https://www.facebook.com/jacindaarde...4884574857441/

                    Still to come before Christmas is legalizing Medicinal Cannabis, and zero-fees for the first year of tertiary education starting next year.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #40
                      Long time no see..!

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                        Long time no see..!
                        I had resolved to quit the soul-scarring drug of TWeb...
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          I had resolved to quit the soul-scarring drug of TWeb...
                          What made you decided to come back? Your previous post before leaving in October was... slightly inflammatory?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                            What made you decided to come back?
                            I doubt I am back, just driving by. Have just been lurking and laughing at the right-wing fundy crazy. Kinda like how I go to the zoo occasionally to watch the monkeys throwing their poop I guess. Tass and Jim deserve a medal for their zoo-keeping efforts.
                            Last edited by Starlight; 12-04-2017, 05:41 AM.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              A belated final update to this thread...

                              After coalition talks, a center-left Government formed at the end of October comprised of:
                              Labour (center/center-left economically, centrist/liberalish socially): 45 seats
                              NZ First (left-wing, conservative): 9 seats
                              (Supported by) Green (left-wing, liberal): 7 seats

                              Opposition:
                              National (right-wing, conservative/centrist-ish): 58 seats
                              Act (libertarian - i.e. right-wing, liberal): 1 seat

                              So the new Prime Minister is Jacinda Ardern. At 37 years old she's our youngest-equal PM ever, and the 3rd female PM:


                              And first that resembles Mr. Ed

                              Today, after 39 days in office, she signed the first two bills into law: Increasing paid parental leave from 18 to 26 weeks;
                              What do you mean parental leave? Maternity/paternity leave, or general leave for whatever use a parent deems?

                              and introducing a Warrent of Fitness for rental houses to ensure they are healthy (Mold and lack of insulation and heating in many old rental properties has been an ongoing public health issue).
                              Y'all never had mold provisions in your rental laws? Wow...

                              She seems to like doing a Facebook livestream every week, and livestreamed signing the bills today (at least she doesn't Tweet controversially):
                              https://www.facebook.com/jacindaarde...4884574857441/

                              Still to come before Christmas is legalizing Medicinal Cannabis, and zero-fees for the first year of tertiary education starting next year.
                              Pandering to the young and gullible college aged kids.
                              That's what
                              - She

                              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                              - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                I had resolved to quit the soul-scarring drug of TWeb...
                                Last thing I remember I was running for the door
                                I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
                                "Relax," said the night man. "We are programmed to receive
                                You can check-out any time you like but you can never leave!"

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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