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    I'm curious what benefits those who are in the church have seen come of preaching, reading, and singing through the poetry of the Bible in church. I'm speaking here of the six books: Lamentations, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon.

    How might the congregation be enriched in corporate worship? How have you found your reading of the poetical books shape your theology?

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    I find the Psalms to be quite enriching in corporate worship. There are quotations from the Psalms woven throughout the Divine Liturgy, and psalms are used in every other Orthodox service (Psalm 51 shows up in several). In monasteries, the whole book of Psalms is recited once a week (twice a week during Lent). Job and Proverbs enter the daily reading cycle during Lent, and most readings during Vespers come from either Proverbs or the deuterocanonical Wisdom of Solomon. There is some imagery from the Song of Solomon used, but IIRC it's not explicitly quoted much. I'm not aware of Lamentations or Ecclesiastes being used, although the latter was a favorite of early commentators (along with the others you mentioned, excepting Lamentations).
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