Hugh Hefner is now in hell

[Starlight]

If Hitler accepted Jesus, he wouldn't have committed suicide.

That seems a strange claim. Plenty of people who commit suicide are Christians.

And Hitler had every reason to think that the Allied forces would execute him anyway (and indeed they did execute a lot of the high-level Nazis at the Nuremberg trials), possibly also torture and humiliate him. What grounds do you have for thinking that had he sincerely repented and asked God to forgive him his sins, that he would want to trust himself to other humans whom he could be sure wouldn't be at all forgiving?

[One Bad Pig]

That seems a strange claim. Plenty of people who commit suicide are Christians.

Suicide is a failure to trust in Jesus. In the Orthodox Church, suicide is considered so serious that suicides are not to be given a Christian burial.

And Hitler had every reason to think that the Allied forces would execute him anyway (and indeed they did execute a lot of the high-level Nazis at the Nuremberg trials), possibly also torture and humiliate him. What grounds do you have for thinking that had he sincerely repented and asked God to forgive him his sins, that he would want to trust himself to other humans whom he could be sure wouldn't be at all forgiving?

Suicide in that case would be an abdication of responsibility, which is the antithesis of repentance.

[Charles]

It makes me sad you guys would worship a God who would send people to hell. Says a lot about you as people really.

Yes. And people often forget that.

[Starlight]

In the Orthodox Church, suicide is considered so serious that suicides are not to be given a Christian burial.

One of multiple bizarre and baseless ideas the Orthodox share with the Roman Catholics.

[Charles]

Well you don't have to go to hell Star, you can repent this very night!

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[One Bad Pig]

One of multiple bizarre and baseless ideas the Orthodox share with the Roman Catholics.

Noted.

[Charles]

I like the view that both the repentant and unrepentant will spend eternity in God's presence; for the former it will be heaven, and for the latter it will be hell.

You may change your view on this if it turns out you believed in the wrong god.

What is lovely about the idea of others spending an eternity in hell? What if it was your own children? Anything lovely about that idea?

[rogue06]

Yes. And people often forget that.

Yet nobody is being sent to hell. You're willfully marching there like you're leading a parade.

[Charles]

Yet nobody is being sent to hell. You're willfully marching there like you're leading a parade.

Who would ever do that?

[Mountain Man]

If Hitler accepted Jesus right before he committed suicide, would he have gone to heaven?

In theory, yes. See Jesus' parable about the vineyard workers in Matthew 20: those who worked for one hour were given the same wages as those who had worked all day. Also, the thief on the cross was forgiven mere hours before his death.

As for whether or not a Christian would commit suicide, I don't have an answer to that question.

[demi-conservative]

Yet nobody is being sent to hell. You're willfully marching there like you're leading a parade.

Homosexual pride parade, of course!!

[JimL]

I like how CS Lewis put it, that the damned are successful rebels to the end, and that the doors of hell are locked on the inside, but the unrepentant are so far gone and corrupted by that point that they will never open them. They will simply exist in an eternal state of shame and misery, forever blaming God for their own wretchedness.

The damned are successful subservients to the end, and the doors of their hell are locked on the inside, but the unrepentant victims are so far gone and corrupted by that point that they will never open them. They will simply exist in a temporal state of shame and misery, worshiping for as long as they should live, the creator, so they believe, of their own wretchedness.

Seems the holier than thou, nonintrospective, C.S. Lewis couldn't handle criticism. He had one thing right though, we non believers are successful rebels, we unlocked the very doors of hell and escaped the psychological prison that believers are to fearful to leave.

[lilpixieofterror]

The damned are successful subservients to the end, and the doors of their hell are locked on the inside, but the unrepentant victims are so far gone and corrupted by that point that they will never open them. They will simply exist in a temporal state of shame and misery, worshiping for as long as they should live, the creator, so they believe, of their own wretchedness.

Seems the holier than thou, nonintrospective, C.S. Lewis couldn't handle criticism. He had one thing right though, we non believers are successful rebels, we unlocked the very doors of hell and escaped the psychological prison that believers are to fearful to leave.

And yet, you argue against opponents that exist in your head while leaving your actual opponents untouched.

[Mountain Man]

You may change your view on this if it turns out you believed in the wrong god.

What is lovely about the idea of others spending an eternity in hell? What if it was your own children? Anything lovely about that idea?

I don't delight in the fact that some people will go to hell. I take Paul's view that if it were possible to give up my place in heaven for someone else then I would, but it doesn't work that way. Each of us will be held accountable on the Day of Judgment, and on that day, you will be shown your entire life and the countless opportunities you had to accept God's mercy, and you will be left with no excuse.

As the late Keith Green put it:

You're gong to find out that He's the way
No matter which way you choose
But I pray you find out by His love for you

[37818]

Hallelujah!! Smoke of fire of his rises up for ever and ever!!!

That will not happen until after the resurrection unto the Judgement into the lake of fire which is the second death.

Proverbs 24:17,
. . . Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: . . .

Matthew 5:43-44,
. . . Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; . . .

Ezekiel 18:32,
. . . For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: . . .

Revelation 14:10-11,
. . . tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: . . .

2 Corinthians 5:11,
. . . Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; . . .