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Unbiblical bull faeces, sold by modern Church of Niceness.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return. -
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Well it is written, ". . . He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be My son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. . . ." Revelation 21:7-8 (Revelation 20:15; Revelation 3:5; 1 John 5:4, 9-12.)Originally posted by JimL View Post
Well there are two conditions mentioned here. Those who overcome and are counted as children of God and are then therefore safe. And that everyone otherwise are indeed lost.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJVComment
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What is the silliness you refer to? Why is it silliness?Originally posted by JimL View Post. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJVComment
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For one thing the idea that you believe that god communicated those very words to men, and that men didn't cook them up themselves is silly. Second the idea that sinners, you know people, are going to burn in a lake of fire and brimstone in a second death is also silly. Why is it silly? Because there is no good reason to believe any of it!Originally posted by 37818 View PostComment
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Yes it is written, by men. Who else would write it, God?Originally posted by 37818 View Post
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So how do you know that God did not communicate to men those things? You're silly based on your own argument. OK, let's just say there is no God and therefore no judgement, there being no God and no kind of second death there being no kind of judgement. That when one is dead there is no consciousness beyond this life. Now when we die, all awareness ends for us. So if my understanding is wrong, when I am dead, I am not going to know I was wrong. You cannot say that if what I understand is true. You have no out.Originally posted by JimL View Post
Your claiming no good reason and having no reason to know you are right - you're being silly by your own standard.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJVComment
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Yes, men wrote down the words, men copied them. And later translated them and were printed. And so based on that you are contending God didn't give those words to men.Originally posted by Tassman View PostYes it is written, by men. Who else would write it, God?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJVComment
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exactly. Believing in God is how we avoid going to hell. Sinning is the reason we go to hell.Originally posted by JimL View Post
If you were convicted for a crime and thrown in prison, but were told that if you asked the governor, he could get you released, would that governor be the reason you were sent to prison? No, he might be the reason you get out, but the reason you are in prison was because you are a criminal.
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No. Repenting and accepting God's grace is how we avoid going to hell. Mere belief is not enough.Originally posted by Sparko View Post
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder." -James 2:19Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by PetraComment
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On the contrary, it is long-standing belief that people choose their fate. Not sure why you felt the need to exclude that part of her statement.Originally posted by demi-conservative View PostVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologistComment
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Yes, Trump is a sinner. He can also repent of his sin and attain salvation from eternal death. Just like you!Originally posted by Tassman View PostVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologistComment
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People choosing their fate doesn't mean God doesn't send people to hell. IE: a criminal chooses to commit a crime and the judge sentences him to prison.Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.Comment
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