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. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYes, I understand, you live your life in fear of god and death.
. . . I don't. You could also think of it this way, if there is a god, how likely is it to be the evil god such as the biblical one who would do such evil things to his living creatures such as burning them in hell and all that nonsense. Just be a good person, get rid of your guilt and fear, and enjoy your life, if a good god exists he won't punish you for that.
There being no good reason to believe in the first place, is itself reason to believe I'm right.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou didn't refute anything Jim, you just repeated yourself.
Normally I would say, I don't care what you do, if you want to ignore the truth and end up in hell, go ahead. But I actually do care. I don't want anyone to end up in hell. So I am trying to explain it to you in simple terms. God gives us a way out of our own deserved punishment. He doesn't owe us a way out but he cares and wants to save you. He is throwing you a rope after you have jumped into the water and are drowning. If you don't take the rope, you can't blame God. If you don't even know about the rope you can't blame God. You are the one who jumped in. You committed the sins. When you stand before God and he judges you, it will be on your own actions. God didn't make you sin. You did that all on your own.
Now I know you actually understand but you merely don't give a crap and just want to mock. So that is on your own head.Last edited by JimL; 10-17-2017, 11:28 AM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAgain, its a ridiculous argument, or as I said, ridiculous refutation of what I pointed out. According to your belief we are all sinners Sparko, whether you are knowledgeable and believe in your god or not. So it would be unjust of a god to offer to save those who know and believe, but not those who knew not and so did not believe, and so condemn them to eternal hell. Its just illogical and dumb.
Wrong, its not your god that I don't believe in, its your assertion of the existence of that god that I don't believe in.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNobody ever said that salvation was just. Quite the opposite. It is unjust. We don't deserve to be saved any more than the prisoner deserves to be let out of prison. It is only because of God's mercy that we are.
The end result is that you are going to hell for your own actions and rejecting a way to avoid that. Or you could be right and there is no God and we all just cease to exist, which means I am wasting my time believing in something that doesn't exist. But it's my life and I find that I am a better person because of my faith than I was without it.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOkay, so your god is unjust in his treatment of his creatures, right? You just happen to be one of the fortunate, or chosen ones, right?
I agree, you probably are a better person because of your belief, and that is good for society, thats why we created gods.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell thats a nonsensical response. So god punishes, sends to hell for all eternity, all those billions who have never heard of him. Thats what you call a just god? You simply, and poorly, defend the indefensible, because you feel that you have to in order to maintain your belief.Last edited by Darth Executor; 10-17-2017, 01:01 PM."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd you think that helps your argument?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThat is not an "irrelevant difference". I wouldn't bother nitpicking, as I'm fully aware that no analogy is going to be perfect."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostDon't worry JimL. You will be treated justly.
Maybe you should try it.Last edited by JimL; 10-17-2017, 01:01 PM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostPerhaps you just don't want to answer to my point. Its not about me, its about the billions over time that never knew anything about your god, so didn't believe in your god. According to you its, oh well to bad for them, off to eternal hell they go. I mean if thats the kind of thing that you can believe in, then all I can say is you're a very naive person who is willing to believe anything so long as it promises him a future reward."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYou're belief is merely self serving, thats why."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostPerhaps you just don't want to answer to my point.
Its not about me, its about the billions over time that never knew anything about your god, so didn't believe in your god. According to you its, oh well to bad for them, off to eternal hell they go. I mean if thats the kind of thing that you can believe in, then all I can say is you're a very naive person who is willing to believe anything so long as it promises him a future reward.
Want to try it slowly?
1. If one person breaks the law by committing a felony the just thing is for them to be judged and put in prison. correct?
2. If a billion people break the law by committing a felony the just thing is for them to be judged and put in prison, correct?
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Originally posted by JimL View Post
Been there, done that, its a lie, you're going to die.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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