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  • #31
    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    As my post above alluded, God doesn't send people to hell. People choose to go there.
    The Eastern Orthodox view of hell paints God in a much better light, certainly. I agree with many of the observations that this EO theologian makes about how nastily the Western version of hell portrays God.

    Although the EO version of hell can still be tweaked to be better, IMO, with the addition of Origen's reincarnation theory for example. Because, if hell is worse than this life for some people, and the loving God knows and understands that, then he would obviously want to respond by continuing this life for them rather than inflicting hell on them.
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      It's morning here. I repented and welcomed Jesus into my heart as a kid. Depending on your theology that might be still working for me.

      Over time the amount of evidence against Christianity in my mind has continued to accumulate to be sky-high, as have the reasons I have for condemning Christianity and for viewing it with utter contempt. I can't envision a future where I'm ever a Christian again. It's possible that with time I might one day be able to forgive Christianity/Christians for their evils and the harms they have done to myself and others, and change from feeling actively hostile and utterly contemptuous toward it to merely neutral and tolerant and agnostic.
      Your will be done...
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        Yes, you think it makes God "not a monster" because you're essentially never held accountable for your sins.
        IMO I don't have sins and I view myself as a particularly good person who would pass any remotely reasonable standard of judgment with flying colors. I also view myself as a moral philosopher. Trying to 'avoid judgment' or 'not be held accountable' for my actions is not a factor that remotely enters my mind in this discussion. What I think about is how I would judge God for his treatment of others.

        This is all about me judging your imagined God and also you for imagining him. Insofar as you propose the existence of a God who would commit gross violations of human rights by levying any kind of infinite punishment for human actions, you are proposing the existence of a monstrous and evil being. It is sad that you would wish to worship such a being, and says some bad things about you as a person and about your character.

        I like the view that both the repentant and unrepentant will spend eternity in God's presence; for the former it will be heaven, and for the latter it will be hell.
        Are the unrepentant incapable of repenting? Is God ignorant of the fact that his presence is causing hell for some people, and if not is he incapable of creating a world like this one where they can happily live lives that aren't hell for them?

        The various views like yours here that I have heard expounded seem relatively implausible as they tend to presuppose the inability of God to recreate a similar would to this one in order to reduce the suffering of people in hell, and unduly presuppose some sort of inability to change on the part of the people themselves. In short, Christian theories of hell don't generally tend to be very plausible, and/or depict God as a nasty being who voluntarily causes a state of affairs where some people experience eternal suffering when he could take action to reduce their suffering but doesn't.

        C.S. Lewis' view expounded in The Great Divorce, is pretty much, I would argue, along with Origen's reincarnation theory, the only Christian theory of the afterlife that is consistent with a loving God. (Loosely, he depicts people having pretty extreme freedom to select for themselves whatever they want in an afterlife with continuing ability to change if they wish, and basically some people voluntarily isolate themselves from everyone else and decide to simply stew in their own remembrances and its mainly only hell in the sense that they make it bad for themselves inside their own heads) Generally Christians tend to object to such views because it implies that being a Christian during this life confers minimal advantage in the afterlife, and that simply being a 'nice person' is as good as or better than being a Christian.
        Last edited by Starlight; 09-28-2017, 06:34 PM.
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          It makes me sad you guys would worship a God who would send people to hell. Says a lot about you as people really.

          God doesn't send anybody to hell, except Satan and his angels.


          Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            IMO I don't have sins and I view myself as a particularly good person who would pass any remotely reasonable standard of judgment with flying colors.
            Source: Issues That Make Christians Squirm

            ‘Suffering is God’s fault!’ we sneer, conveniently forgetting times our anger, greed and lies hurt others. Naturally, there is a degree of hurt we deem excusable, and for some suspicious reason the hurt we have inflicted happens to fall within the standard we arbitrarily set. It is like failing an exam and then moving the pass mark to make our score look good. A holy God could not be partner to such hypocrisy.

            http://www.net-burst.net/hot/evil.htm#suf

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            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • #36
              MM, I am well aware that most Christians take a theological position that God's standard of judgement is extremely strict - i.e. what I would describe as OCD and pathologically unreasonable and such that if a human judge were to give those sorts of judgments to criminals in our justice system we would immediately find serious fault with him and want him replaced. Again, I find that to be yet another reason for condemning your imagined God and you for worshiping him. A God with such insane and unreasonable standards does not meet my standards and fails abysmally in my judgement of him.

              And, to comment on your quote, most suffering is indeed "God's fault" in the sense that naturally occurring suffering like pain, disease, illnesses, natural disasters etc cause more suffering than negative human actions like anger / greed / lies.
              Last edited by Starlight; 09-28-2017, 06:41 PM.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #37
                Originally posted by seer View Post
                Your will be done...
                If only. The world would be a much better place and people would be much happier.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  It makes me sad you guys would worship a God who would send people to hell. Says a lot about you as people really.
                  There's no point in worshiping a god who doesn't care about what you do one way or the other.
                  "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                  There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    IMO I don't have sins and I view myself as a particularly good person who would pass any remotely reasonable standard of judgment with flying colors. I also view myself as a moral philosopher. Trying to 'avoid judgment' or 'not be held accountable' for my actions is not a factor that remotely enters my mind in this discussion. What I think about is how I would judge God for his treatment of others.
                    Sure you do, it’s called pride and arrogance.
                    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                    GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      It makes me sad you guys would worship a God who would send people to hell. Says a lot about you as people really.
                      And it says a lot about you that you want a God that doesn’t care what you do, so you can live your life as though he doesn’t exist. Must be nice to have a God that lets you do whatever you want, huh?
                      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                      GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                        There's no point in worshiping a god who doesn't care about what you do one way or the other.
                        Loving human parents care deeply what their children do. They don't, however, send their children to hell or similar.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          So... gay porn is morally superior?
                          Treating men like that is wrong too. I don't like sex scenes in movies either. People should not be reduced to their sexuality. And children have no sexuality, so don't even think about that!
                          If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                            And children have no sexuality, so don't even think about that!
                            Don't think of an elephant! Hard not to think of something when you get told not to.

                            Studies I have read suggest that the common age range that people report having had their first serious thoughts about sex / sexual fantasies is 10-12 years old. I would say that counts as children having a sexuality, insofar as I would call 10-12 year olds children.

                            There was also a study out this week that found that an A.I. could be trained to identify gay and straight people with >90% accuracy when given 5 current photos of them to analyse, by looking for things like gender atypical shapes of jaw, nose, eyes etc. Although the research has yet to be extended to predicting sexuality based on younger photos of them, it seems a priori unlikely that whether the shape of someone's facial features were typical of their gender would be something that changed significantly with age.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              Trying to 'avoid judgment' or 'not be held accountable' for my actions is not a factor that remotely enters my mind in this discussion. What I think about is how I would judge God for his treatment of others.
                              lol you are a complete nobody and there are wild beasts whose judgement is worth more than yours.
                              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                              • #45
                                I disagree with the tack that God doesn't send people to hell. Matthew 7:21 teaches that some will desire to go to heaven but be denied.

                                Incidentally, Hugh Hefner still has not faced the final judgment.
                                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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