Hugh Hefner is now in hell

[Tassman]

There is no point in worshiping an evil god, excepting cowardice. If you want to worship a god, at least create a good one.

The problem is that only good people can create a good god. Bad people will inevitably create a bad god.

[One Bad Pig]

Both. He thought that God would keep reincarnating people through immeasurable ages and universes, until every soul was fully morally transformed and universal perfection had been achieved. It's in De Principiis I think. I'll have to dig up my notes i took when reading it when I get home and find the passage for you.

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be considered a reincarnation, at least not as it's universally viewed. He theorized that people could fall away from and return to perfection multiple times, but they wouldn't be different "people" as in typical reincarnation.

[lilpixieofterror]

Like Starlight, they choose for themselves.

Starlight wants to live his life as though God doesn’t exist, but in case he’s wrong wants God to not care about his sins and simply letting him have reset after reset until he gets it just right. You can be the biggest psychopath in one lifetime and finally get it just right once and you’re all set. One has to wonder why such a God would care about the well being of anyone, but I doubt such a system is thought about on the logical level. It’s simply a peace of mind escape valve and not much else.

[lilpixieofterror]

There is no point in worshiping an evil god, excepting cowardice. If you want to worship a god, at least create a good one.

You mean like creating one that could care less if you were a psychopathic murderer, but will instead give you reset after reset until you finally get it right?

[Sparko]

It makes me sad you guys would worship a God who would send people to hell. Says a lot about you as people really.

We send ourselves there. God saves us from it.

[Sparko]

What do you all think about the Mormon version of an afterlife? I'm no Mormon, but in that version you're also judged for your actions, but there's no hell. Heaven vs. hell is more the difference between going to a decently nice place and being god of your own planet. It allows a god who doesn't cause eternal suffering as well as the moral imperative to act responsibly here on Earth.

well if it were left up to men to make up their own afterlife, then of course there would be no hell. You would probably end up with something like mormonism, where you have various levels of heaven, a trailer park heaven where those who are not mormon or not good mormons go, a middle heaven for those who were fairly good mormons. And the upper level heaven for the mormon leaders and special ones, who get their own planets.

Although I think mormons do believe those who are really bad, like murderers and hitler and such just get destroyed.

[Mountain Man]

Source: Issues That Make Christians Squirm

‘Suffering is God’s fault!’ we sneer, conveniently forgetting times our anger, greed and lies hurt others. Naturally, there is a degree of hurt we deem excusable, and for some suspicious reason the hurt we have inflicted happens to fall within the standard we arbitrarily set. It is like failing an exam and then moving the pass mark to make our score look good. A holy God could not be partner to such hypocrisy.

http://www.net-burst.net/hot/evil.htm#suf

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MM, I am well aware that most Christians take a theological position that God's standard of judgement is extremely strict - i.e. what I would describe as OCD and pathologically unreasonable and such that if a human judge were to give those sorts of judgments to criminals in our justice system we would immediately find serious fault with him and want him replaced. Again, I find that to be yet another reason for condemning your imagined God and you for worshiping him. A God with such insane and unreasonable standards does not meet my standards and fails abysmally in my judgement of him.

And, to comment on your quote, most suffering is indeed "God's fault" in the sense that naturally occurring suffering like pain, disease, illnesses, natural disasters etc cause more suffering than negative human actions like anger / greed / lies.

It's cute how you think you're refuting the Grantley Morris quote when you're really just affirming it.

[37818]

OK, then who are resurrected in the judgement from the sea and death (Revelation 20:13)?

". . . the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: . . ."

From a literal perspective:
Cambridge Bible Commentary
Death gave up all the bodies of men, and hades their souls, to be united to their bodies. All, whether buried (death) or unburied (in the sea), are raised and judged.

But that interpretation is reading into the text. The dead are being resurrected explicitly from those three places in that text (Revelation 20:13). That text stands uniquely alone in its context (11-15).

[Mountain Man]

Like Starlight, they choose for themselves.

I like how CS Lewis put it, that the damned are successful rebels to the end, and that the doors of hell are locked on the inside, but the unrepentant are so far gone and corrupted by that point that they will never open them. They will simply exist in an eternal state of shame and misery, forever blaming God for their own wretchedness.

[Bill the Cat]

But that interpretation is reading into the text. The dead are being resurrected explicitly from those three places in that text (Revelation 20:13). That text stands uniquely alone in its context (11-15).

It's a high context apocalyptic text. The readers would understand that those "buried at sea" were not considered actually buried. See here. Those in death were. Bodies were not in hades, so we have to look further into why "death and hades" are linked. Death is thought to claim the material portion of a person and Hades the immaterial portion. Dying on land and dying at sea were usually seen as different things, see the Didascalia Apostolorum for example.

[37818]

It's a high context apocalyptic text. The readers would understand that those "buried at sea" were not considered actually buried. See here. Those in death were. Bodies were not in hades, so we have to look further into why "death and hades" are linked. Death is thought to claim the material portion of a person and Hades the immaterial portion. Dying on land and dying at sea were usually seen as different things, see the Didascalia Apostolorum for example.

Fine. The context says, ". . . the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them." There was no longer that sea of the earth. Nor those dead bodies in what ever way they had exist in the earth. . . ." v.11. Those bodily resurrections and Judgement takes place between worlds (Genesis 1:1 and Revelation 21;1).

[demi-conservative]

Good riddance. He died today but the Internet killed him a long time ago.

Hallelujah!! Smoke of fire of his rises up for ever and ever!!!

[demi-conservative]

I find it ironic that they claim he spurred the sexual revolution, yet what he did was sexually exploit young women and turn them into objects and literal play things. So much for sexual equality.

Why do you think feminism/egalitarianism ever become serious movement? Guys wanted to loosen morals, have sex with girls, that's why!!!

[stfoskey15]

You mean like creating one that could care less if you were a psychopathic murderer, but will instead give you reset after reset until you finally get it right?

If Hitler accepted Jesus right before he committed suicide, would he have gone to heaven?

[One Bad Pig]

If Hitler accepted Jesus right before he committed suicide, would he have gone to heaven?

If Hitler accepted Jesus, he wouldn't have committed suicide.