Triumph of Trump: NFL kneeling

[Cow Poke]

What would Mom have said if she ever knew that you would write H-E- double hockey sticks -- in CAPITAL LETTERS no less -- for all the world to see?

I would explain it was a 'scholarly quote', in which case, she would swiftly and powerfully apply the board of education to my seat of learning.

[Mountain Man]

There's no recovering from this fiasco. The NFL may as well ride this train wreck all the way to the bitter end.

[Cow Poke]

There's no recovering from this fiasco. The NFL may as well ride this train wreck all the way to the bitter end.

The goofy notion that "we'll just hold the players in the locker room until the anthem is over" is a typical liberal response -- punish* EVERYBODY because of a few bad actors.




*some players still think it's a tremendous honor to stand and honor the flag

[One Bad Pig]

There's no recovering from this fiasco. The NFL may as well ride this train wreck all the way to the bitter end.

Even Peter King is starting to worry:

Source: MMQB

I think it’s time to sound the TV ratings alarm—if you haven’t already heard it clanging from coast to coast. It looks even worse when considering that the NFL, perhaps rightfully, blamed last year’s ratings decline on the attention magnet that the 2016 presidential election was. But Thanksgiving week is two weeks clear of the election season. So let’s compare some of the numbers to each of the past two years to see where we are (thanks to Sports Media Watch for the ratings info):

• ESPN, Monday night, Atlanta at Seattle: 6.4 rating, a decline of 28.1 percent from Buffalo-New England in 2015 … a decline of 7.2 percent from Houston-Oakland last year.

• FOX, Thanksgiving Day, Minnesota at Detroit: 11.4 rating, a drop of 7.3 percent from Philadelphia-Detroit in 2015 … a drop of 12.3 percent from Minnesota-Detroit last year.

• CBS, Thanksgiving Day, Los Angeles Chargers at Dallas: 12.4 rating, a decrease of 19.0 percent from Dallas-Carolina in 2015 … a decrease of 20.5 percent from Dallas-Washington last year.

• NBC, Thanksgiving night, New York Giants at Washington: 9.7 rating, a drop of 33.6 percent from Chicago-Green Bay in 2015 … a drop of 10.2 percent from Indianapolis-Pittsburgh last year.

A bit of clarification: CBS did the early-window game from Detroit last year; FOX did the early game from Detroit this year. So the numbers on FOX and CBS are window versus window, not network versus network. But in window versus window, the numbers of ’17 versus ’16 were down 7.2, 12.3, 20.5 and 10.2 percent on Monday and Thursday of Thanksgiving week. Not good.

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[Mountain Man]

Even Peter King is starting to worry...

Peter King is a little late to the party. This decline has been happening for months, and head-in-the-sand liberals are trying desperately to convince themselves that it has nothing to do with the anthem protests.

[One Bad Pig]

Peter King is a little late to the party. This decline has been happening for months, and head-in-the-sand liberals are trying desperately to convince themselves that it has nothing to do with the anthem protests.

I posted this as evidence that even liberals are beginning to connect the dots.

[Darth Executor]

Liberals know and don't care. They are like suicide bombers and will destroy their own companies in the name of The Cause. Marvel Comics is doing the same thing.

[One Bad Pig]

Liberals know and don't care. They are like suicide bombers and will destroy their own companies in the name of The Cause. Marvel Comics is doing the same thing.

ESPN is letting another 150 people go.

[JimL]

Peter King is a little late to the party. This decline has been happening for months, and head-in-the-sand liberals are trying desperately to convince themselves that it has nothing to do with the anthem protests.

Keep hope alive there MM.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-a...ts-yet-2017-11

[Sparko]

Keep hope alive there MM.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-a...ts-yet-2017-11

Do you even read the stuff you link to? It is saying that if you go by ticket sales and giveaways, the numbers are still there but the attendance is actually down. Basically people buy season tickets but then they don't go because of the anthem thing. Read your article.

[Mountain Man]

Keep hope alive there MM.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-a...ts-yet-2017-11

You should actually read the article before posting the link, Jimmy:

Source: Business Insider

While this looks like good news for the NFL on the surface, there are reasons to be skeptical.

First and foremost, the NFL is driven by season-ticket sales and tickets purchased prior to the start of the season. That suggests that attendance this season was not impacted by players kneeling during the 2016 season. However, it doesn't tell us if ticket sales will be hurt as a result of the growing criticism this season, especially from President Donald Trump. The true impact of the backlash this season won't be felt until the 2018 season, if at all.

The other issue to keep in mind is that attendance figures do not necessarily tell us how many people actually attended the games. Since 2005, the NFL has encouraged teams to report "tickets distributed" as opposed to the actual number of fans that pass through the turnstiles. Tickets distributed includes tickets sold and tickets given away (e.g. charity donations).

That's why we can have a game in San Francisco with a reported "attendance" of 70,000 and the stadium still looks half empty.

From my vantage point 3 minutes to go 2ND quarter. #49ers vs #Rams pic.twitter.com/pYbJPFNV6q
— Colin Resch (@colinresch) September 22, 2017

The NFL can fudge the numbers this season. But they won't be able to fudge as much next season if ticket sales drop.

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Busted by your own source.

[JimL]

Do you even read the stuff you link to? It is saying that if you go by ticket sales and giveaways, the numbers are still there but the attendance is actually down. Basically people buy season tickets but then they don't go because of the anthem thing. Read your article.

No, actually it doesn't say attendance is down, because that is something they can't calculate overall throughout the league. It won't be known until next year if you crackpots will have any effect on attendance, and thats's highly unlikely. But keep hope alive!

[Sparko]

No, actually it doesn't say attendance is down, because that is something they can't calculate overall throughout the league. It won't be known until next year if you crackpots will have any effect on attendance, and thats's highly unlikely. But keep hope alive!

You can look at the pictures of the stands right in the article you linked to, DumbL.

Here is a relevant quote and photo screengrabbed right from your own article saying that:

"The other issue to keep in mind is that attendance figures do not necessarily tell us how many people actually attended the games. Since 2005, the NFL has encouraged teams to report "tickets distributed" as opposed to the actual number of fans that pass through the turnstiles. Tickets distributed includes tickets sold and tickets given away (e.g. charity donations).

That's why we can have a game in San Francisco with a reported "attendance" of 70,000 and the stadium still looks half empty."

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[Mountain Man]

Looks like Jimmy pulled a Shuny: found a headline that seemed to support his position without noticing that the article itself refuted him.

[rogue06]

Do you even read the stuff you link to? It is saying that if you go by ticket sales and giveaways, the numbers are still there but the attendance is actually down. Basically people buy season tickets but then they don't go because of the anthem thing. Read your article.

Season ticket sales for next year ought to be interesting.