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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostBut time and again, the SCOTUS has ruled that there is no contradiction between government regulation of fire arms and the second amendment. ... Gun control has been ruled constitutional many times, get over it.
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostIt's called negligence, Joel.
If you don't get your car inspected or you drive recklessly, and cause an accident, you can be held responsible. If your child or pet destroys someone else property, you can be held responsible. If you have a hazardous tree that crashes into someone home, you can be held liable. Etc, etc, etc.
Gun owners and gun dealers should be no different. If they want to roll the dice and give a gun to someone based on their own judgement of that persons mental capacity, they should be held liable for any damages and be open to litigation.
As a side note, I had a friend who had a safe and burglars broke into his home and stole the safe. They assume you keep the good stuff in there.
Originally posted by Teallaura View PostOriginally posted by JoelSo you need to keep your dog in a safe, so it doesn't get stolen and bite someone after being stolen?
It seems like it would be pretty easy to kill any unsuspecting person with a kitchen knife. The fact that happens so rarely is a testament to how non-murderous people are.
When you say "sheer luck" I'm guessing you had more in mind a situation in which the other person is fighting back?
And it may depend on the crime. If the thief is going to commit arson, for example, your gasoline is perhaps a better tool than your gun.
Originally posted by Sparko View Postso if someone steals your car and kills someone, it's YOUR fault?
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Originally posted by Joel View PostI pointed out earlier how time and again the SCOTUS has ruled in obvious contradiction to the Constitution. Why should anyone put credence in your appeal-to-authority here?
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Originally posted by Joel View PostI pointed out earlier how time and again the SCOTUS has ruled in obvious contradiction to the Constitution. Why should anyone put credence in your appeal-to-authority here?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIn obvious contradiction according to you, not according to the Supreme Court. Obviously not everyone agrees with each others interpretations, not even the Justices, but they get the last word.
As for "they get the last word," that's a thing because they claimed that that is so!
So that's a circular argument.
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Originally posted by Joel View Post...
As a side note, I had a friend who had a safe and burglars broke into his home and stole the safe. They assume you keep the good stuff in there.
Yes to what? All of those? Yes, you need to keep your dog in a safe? Yes, you need to keep your kitchen knives in a safe? Yes, you need to keep gasoline in a safe?
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostBut you've already said that responsible gun owners don't exist...so what now?
But since I allowed that they probably exist and based my support for gun ownership on that basis, I don't think there's an actual problem here."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostReally? So you think the early Courts didn't know what the Second was about? Because this is nothing new - it's never been treated as an unlimited right. Ever.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostWell, he proved me right, for one thing.
But since I allowed that they probably exist and based my support for gun ownership on that basis, I don't think there's an actual problem here.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostYes to you are not willing to be a responsible gun owner and shouldn't be allowed to purchase weapons.
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Originally posted by Joel View PostIt's that the courts even early on have been wrong time and again including on crucial matters, so that, in general, it seems that "the courts said so" is not reliable.
Rights are NOT one sided as you wish to believe. Rights come with responsibilities and government does have some regulatory power to insure that those responsibilities are carried out."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Joel View PostSo now it's an ad hominem, even though I never said I personally wouldn't/don't keep guns in a safe? None of this is about what I am willing to do."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostActually, that's not an ad hominem argument - so the fallacy isn't at issue. And since you are insisting on ridiculous comparisons of weapons to non-weapons, and deliberately misconstruing what I have said I am not seeing where you have much credibility here.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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