What do those Nobel people know anyway?

[shunyadragon]

There three nothings in your link:

True, so what? The second one describes the Quantum nothing from which our universes forms and all possible universes that both Vilenkin and Krauss agree on.

Second is nothing, without even space and time. Following a similar quantum logic, theorists have proposed that whole universes, little bubbles of space-time, could pop into existence, like bubbles in boiling water, out of this nothing.


The third is a hypothetical nothing that the physicists and cosmologists do not address concerning the nature and origin of universes and multiverses.

[shunyadragon]

Right - i'm trying to use analogies, and they will not be perfect.

And the imperfection here is in part that there is never really any area of space that's empty of things to be governed. Virtual particles pop in and out of existence all the time, so the fields constantly have something to govern.

This sounds better. In the Quantum nothing there is something for the laws of nature to act on.

[Sparko]

If nothing is something then nothing is not nothing.

[shunyadragon]

If nothing is something then nothing is not nothing.

In Quantum Mechanics this is true.

[Jedidiah]

In Quantum Mechanics this is true.

Wrong. You yourself have described what nothing is in Quantum Mechanics.

[seer]

In Quantum Mechanics this is true.

If there is any kind of energy, whether positive or negative, then it is not nothing. It is something.

[Sparko]

If there is any kind of energy, whether positive or negative, then it is not nothing. It is something.

maybe it's only mostly nothing.

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[One Bad Pig]

maybe it's only mostly nothing.

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He didn't say that through the door.

/roy

[Sparko]

He didn't say that through the door.

/roy

[shunyadragon]

If there is any kind of energy, whether positive or negative, then it is not nothing. It is something.

That is what Krauss and Velinkin state is that the Quantum nothing is something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wng6c0oLkQE

Source: http://inference-review.com/article/the-beginning-of-the-universe

The Beginning of the Universe by Alexander Vilenkin

Quantum creation is similar to quantum tunneling through energy barriers in quantum mechanics. An elegant mathematical description of this process can be given in terms of a Wick rotation. Time is expressed using imaginary numbers, introduced only for computational convenience. The distinction between the dimensions of time and space disappears. This description is very useful, since it provides a convenient way to determine tunneling probabilities. The most probable universes are the ones with the smallest initial size and the highest vacuum energy. Once a universe is formed, it immediately starts expanding due to the high energy of the vacuum.

This provides a beginning for the story of eternal inflation.

One might imagine that closed universes are popping out of nothing like bubbles in a glass of champagne, but this analogy would not be quite accurate. Bubbles pop out in liquid, but in the case of universes, there is no space out of which they might pop. A nucleated closed universe is all the space there is, aside from the disconnected spaces of other closed universes. Beyond it, there is no space, and no time.

What causes the universe to pop out of nothing? No cause is needed. If you have a radioactive atom, it will decay, and quantum mechanics gives the decay probability in a given interval of time, say, a minute. There is no reason why the atom decayed at this particular moment and not another. The process is completely random. No cause is needed for the quantum creation of the universe.

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[Sparko]

That is what Krauss and Velinkin state is that the Quantum nothing is something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wng6c0oLkQE

Source: http://inference-review.com/article/the-beginning-of-the-universe

The Beginning of the Universe by Alexander Vilenkin

Quantum creation is similar to quantum tunneling through energy barriers in quantum mechanics. An elegant mathematical description of this process can be given in terms of a Wick rotation. Time is expressed using imaginary numbers, introduced only for computational convenience. The distinction between the dimensions of time and space disappears. This description is very useful, since it provides a convenient way to determine tunneling probabilities. The most probable universes are the ones with the smallest initial size and the highest vacuum energy. Once a universe is formed, it immediately starts expanding due to the high energy of the vacuum.

This provides a beginning for the story of eternal inflation.

One might imagine that closed universes are popping out of nothing like bubbles in a glass of champagne, but this analogy would not be quite accurate. Bubbles pop out in liquid, but in the case of universes, there is no space out of which they might pop. A nucleated closed universe is all the space there is, aside from the disconnected spaces of other closed universes. Beyond it, there is no space, and no time.

What causes the universe to pop out of nothing? No cause is needed. If you have a radioactive atom, it will decay, and quantum mechanics gives the decay probability in a given interval of time, say, a minute. There is no reason why the atom decayed at this particular moment and not another. The process is completely random. No cause is needed for the quantum creation of the universe.

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[shunyadragon]

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My post did not address the issue of whether God exists or not, or how God Created. It simply addressed how Vilenkin and Krauss proposed the nature of Quantum nothing is indeed Something, and the articles go into further detail as to the science behind this.

Moving the goal posts and not responded does not help the dialogue.

[Sparko]

My post did not address the issue of whether God exists or not, or how God Created. It simply addressed how Vilenkin and Krauss proposed the nature of Quantum nothing is indeed Something, and the articles go into further detail as to the science behind this.

Moving the goal posts and not responded does not help the dialogue.

you seriously can't be that clueless.

[shunyadragon]

you seriously can't be that clueless.

you seriously can't be that clueless. This science as it is.

[Sparko]

you seriously can't be that clueless. This science as it is.

It's not science Shunya, it's voodoo. You have to have repeatable experiments and testable hypotheses to have science. This is just magic dressed up as science. Thus my cartoon.