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[Tassman]

FINALLY getting that through your thick skull, eh? My patience has paid off.

Maybe next you'll finally get that they ONLY kicked NAMBLA out - as well as OTHER PEDOPHILE GROUPS - when they were "outed" by "the right".

Meanwhile, you'll continue the spin, no doubt.

That’s an oversimplified and misleading version of events but it’s no longer relevant anyway. These issues were resolved many decades ago. And, as you agree that ILGA never endorsed pedophilia and expelled the three pedophile organisations that had infiltrated its ranks, you can’t even claim that they had been bosom buddies...no more so that any of the other 400 member organisations of that period.

[Cow Poke]

That’s an oversimplified and misleading version....

Nope, it's the facts, Jack. Just because you don't like them doesn't make them irrelevant. ILGA was totally aware that they had pedophile organizations, but did notting about them until they were called out by the likes of Jesse Helms.

But, please, continue the dishonest....

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[Tassman]

Nope, it's the facts, Jack. Just because you don't like them doesn't make them irrelevant. ILGA was totally aware that they had pedophile organizations, but did notting about them until they were called out by the likes of Jesse Helms.

Nope, it’s just your misleading misrepresentation of the “facts” in pursuit of your evangelical agenda to try and link homosexuality to pedophilia so as to serve your own “twisted interests." There is no link and has not been for 23 years. The rest is your spin.

THe "facts Jack" are: "It's very clear that every major U.S. gay leader has condemned NAMBLA and condemned groups that promote pedophilia," David Smith, a spokesman for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force said in 1994 at the time NAMBLA was expelled from ILGA.

http://www.nwitimes.com/uncategorize...b1678fb85.html

[Mountain Man]

ILGA never endorsed pedophilia and expelled the three pedophile organisations that had infiltrated its ranks...

Infiltrated? ILGA knowingly welcomed pedophiles with open arms, without pretense, and they mutually supported each other for a decade, only "condemning" pedophiles when it became politically costly. If they had a moral problem with pedophilia then they would have condemned them without prompting long before that.

[Cow Poke]

Nope, it’s just your misleading misrepresentation of the “facts” in pursuit of your evangelical agenda to try and link homosexuality to pedophilia so as to serve your own “twisted interests."

Nope - nothing misleading at all. Present the facts is honest good policy. IGNORING the facts is what you're doing in support of your own personal agenda.

There is no link and has not been for 23 years.

You can't prove that.

The rest is your spin.

Unsurprisingly, you choose to ignore truth and facts.

THe "facts Jack" are: "It's very clear that every major U.S. gay leader has condemned NAMBLA and condemned groups that promote pedophilia," David Smith, a spokesman for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force said in 1994 at the time NAMBLA was expelled from ILGA.

http://www.nwitimes.com/uncategorize...b1678fb85.html

This does not change the truth of the facts, or the historical record.

But this won't keep you from distorting the truth and the facts and continue your....

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[Cow Poke]

Infiltrated? ILGA knowingly welcomed pedophiles with open arms, without pretense, and they mutually supported each other for a decade, only "condemning" pedophiles when it became politically costly. If they had a moral problem with pedophilia then they would have condemned them without prompting long before that.

They certainly would not have kept their association with MULTIPLE pedophilia groups until Jesse Helms outed them.

[Tassman]

Nope - nothing misleading at all. Present the facts is honest good policy. IGNORING the facts is what you're doing in support of your own personal agenda.

The facts are that ILGA has never endorsed paedophilia, which you've acknowledged, and it expelled all three paedophile groups from ILGA 23 years years ago. I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make? There isn't a point.

[Sparko]

The facts are that ILGA has never endorsed paedophilia, which you've acknowledged, and it expelled all three paedophile groups from ILGA 23 years years ago. I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make? There isn't a point.

he never said they endorsed Pedophilia, he said they supported Pedophilia groups by allowing them into ILGA. They implicitly condoned it.

[Cow Poke]

he never said they endorsed Pedophilia, he said they supported Pedophilia groups by allowing them into ILGA. They implicitly condoned it.

Tassy sure packs a whole lot of dishonesty in his accusations that others are dishonest.

[Cow Poke]

The facts are that ILGA has never endorsed paedophilia,

That we know of. You really don't know.

which you've acknowledged,

I don't know of any public statement by ILGA endorsing pedophilia, but there's no doubt that SEVERAL pedophile groups were part of their membership.

and it expelled all three paedophile groups from ILGA 23 years years ago.

AFTER they were outed by Jesse Helms Helms.

I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make? There isn't a point.

The point is that you keep purposely leaving out FACTS in order to support your agenda, and that's dishonest.

But, you'll keep spinning, and I'll keep correcting!

[Zymologist]

Let's not forget JimL's argument that NAMBLA doesn't endorse pedophilia. At least, that we know of.

[Cow Poke]

Let's not forget JimL's argument that NAMBLA doesn't endorse pedophilia. At least, that we know of.

Yeah, Jimmy was still trying to figure out what a boy was.

[Tassman]

That we know of. You really don't know.

ILGA has several times said that it has never endorsed pedophilia. Are you saying they are lying?

I don't know of any public statement by ILGA endorsing pedophilia,

There ISN’T any public statement by ILGA endorsing pedophilia but there are several public statements explicitly rejecting pedophilia.

but there's no doubt that SEVERAL pedophile groups were part of their membership.

Yes, three pedophile groups infiltrated ILGA. ILGA had been concerned about its association with NAMBLA since the late 1980s and had urged the group to resign. In 1990, at the behest of member organizations from Scandinavia, Australia and New Zealand, ILGA adopted a resolution denouncing pedophilia, he said.

http://www.nwitimes.com/uncategorize...b1678fb85.html

AFTER they were outed by Jesse Helms Helms.

“Helms objected to the association's relationship to NAMBLA, one of about 350 groups that belong to ILGA”. ILGA agreed. Consequently ILGA expelled all three pedophiles groups from its ranks. They should never have been there. “Hans Hjerpekjon, secretary-general of the Brussels-based ILGA, said NAMBLA joined the association, when it was a loose network with no rules for admission.

See above link.

The point is that you keep purposely leaving out FACTS in order to support your agenda, and that's dishonest.

Nonsense! It is YOU that keep purposely leaving out FACTS in order to support your agenda...whatever your agenda is. You have never explained just what except for some sort of “guilt by association”.

But, you'll keep spinning, and I'll keep correcting!

Just what is being spun here CP?

[Cow Poke]

ILGA has several times said that it has never endorsed pedophilia. Are you saying they are lying?

What's wrong with your head? I have never claimed ILGA endorsed pedophilia. It is without question, though, that they allowed groups who did.

There ISN’T any public statement by ILGA endorsing pedophilia but there are several public statements explicitly rejecting pedophilia.

Yeah, well, maybe it's like your buddy Hillary who promotes a public policy and a private policy that conflict.

Check this out - NAMBLA's website states that it is a political, civil rights, and educational organization whose goal is to end "the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships".

Do you buy THAT? And they don't publicly state that they support pedophilia. Are they lying?

Yes, three pedophile groups infiltrated ILGA.

INFILTRATED?!?!?! Now THERE is SPIN!!!!! What a totally ignorant and misleading statement.

You're back to the "gays and lesbians are really stupid people" argument.

ILGA had been concerned about its association with NAMBLA since the late 1980s and had urged the group to resign. In 1990, at the behest of member organizations from Scandinavia, Australia and New Zealand, ILGA adopted a resolution denouncing pedophilia, he said.

http://www.nwitimes.com/uncategorize...b1678fb85.html

And THERE is spin.... ILGA allowed NAMBLA to join, there was no "infiltration". THAT is spin.

“Helms objected to the association's relationship to NAMBLA, one of about 350 groups that belong to ILGA”. ILGA agreed. Consequently ILGA expelled all three pedophiles groups from its ranks.

Yes, it took EXTERNAL pressure to make ILGA expel NAMBA. We agree on that.

They should never have been there.

AGAIN, we agree!!!!

“Hans Hjerpekjon, secretary-general of the Brussels-based ILGA, said NAMBLA joined the association, when it was a loose network with no rules for admission.

More spin. What do you expect him to say - "well, yeah, we allowed them in, but now we have a different position?" OF COURSE he's going to put the best spin on it.

Nonsense!

Just about everything you post on this subject is.

It is YOU that keep purposely leaving out FACTS in order to support your agenda...

Nope - you not only leave out facts, you introduce goofy falsehoods - like NAMBLA "infiltrated" ILGA.

whatever your agenda is. You have never explained just what except for some sort of “guilt by association”.

My agenda is to reveal your dishonesty. I do that with facts, not goofy theories.

Just what is being spun here CP?

Your head.

[Sparko]

Tassy sure packs a whole lot of dishonesty in his accusations that others are dishonest.

Well if the only way Tassy can "win" a debate is by burning a strawman, you can expect a freaking bonfire from him.