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  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    NAMBLA was an integral part of ILGA . Look at CP's post #671.
    The bottom line is clear and straightforward, namely that in 1990 ILGA adopted its official position: "Major power imbalances create the potential for child abuse. ILGA condemns the exploitative use of power differences to coerce others into sexual relationships" (from CP’s link). This effectively put the kibosh on any future NAMBLA involvement in ILGA.

    What I’m objecting to in this discussion, is the cynical and dishonest Evangelical implication that ILGA had ulterior motives on the basis that, as every good Evangelical knows, homosexuals are all secret pedophiles. This is no more the case than claiming all heterosexuals are pedophiles, just because some heterosexuals are pedophiles...in fact the majority of pedophile victims are female, not male.

    They had their hands in virtually everything. And the strong negative reaction by many prominent gay's at the time to NAMBLA being given the boot reveals that this isn't "cynical motives" but what happened.
    NAMBLA no more had their “hands in everything” than any of the other 400 national LGBT groups in more than 90 countries, although NAMBLA was certainly trying to push its own agenda. Ultimately their agenda was defeated in 1994 (despite the objections of some) and this is where things have stood for 23 years. They’re not likely to change.
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
      The bottom line is clear and straightforward
      Yes, ILGA was ok with NAMBLA until they wanted UN approval, then they threw NAMBLA under the bus.

      End of story.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        What I’m objecting to in this discussion, is the cynical and dishonest Evangelical implication that ILGA had ulterior motives on the basis that, as every good Evangelical knows, homosexuals are all secret pedophiles. This is no more the case than claiming all heterosexuals are pedophiles, just because some heterosexuals are pedophiles...in fact the majority of pedophile victims are female, not male.
        What in the world does the majority of pedophile victims being female rather than male have to do with the subject? At most, that would say that the combined number of homosexual male and heterosexual female pedophiles is less than the combined number of heterosexual male and homosexual female pedophiles. That, however, says nothing whatsoever in regards to the frequency of pedophilia among homosexuals versus heterosexuals.

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Yes, ILGA was ok with NAMBLA until they wanted UN approval, then they threw NAMBLA under the bus.

          End of story.
          How about addressing the issue rather than pushing the Evangelical propaganda that homosexuals are all secret pedophiles. Is this what you’re suggesting, because it certainly seems to be the case?

          Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
          What in the world does the majority of pedophile victims being female rather than male have to do with the subject? .
          It refutes the Evangelical argument against homosexuality that it is particularly linked to pedophilia. Homosexuality is no more linked to pedophilia than is heterosexuality.
          Last edited by Tassman; 11-22-2017, 11:02 PM.
          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
            How about addressing the issue rather than pushing the Evangelical propaganda that homosexuals are all secret pedophiles.
            How bout stopping the false accusations that I claim that all homosexuals are secret pedophiles. That is childish and dishonest. And I HAVE been addressing the issue, but you can't seem to grasp that.

            Is this what you’re suggesting, because it certainly seems to be the case?
            You really need to separate yourself from the Alt-Left, Tassy - they are destroying your mind.

            But let's look at some more history on the NAMBLA / ILGA controversy....

            ILGA controversy
            Main article: International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association § Controversy and loss of UN consultative status

            In 1993, the International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA) achieved United Nations consultative status. NAMBLA's membership of ILGA drew heavy criticism and caused the suspension of ILGA. Many gay organizations called for the ILGA to dissolve ties with NAMBLA. Republican Senator Jesse Helms proposed a bill to withhold US$119 million in UN contributions until U.S. President Bill Clinton could certify that no UN agency grants any official status to organizations that condoned pedophilia.[18] The bill was unanimously approved by Congress and signed into law by Clinton in April 1994.[19]

            In 1994, ILGA expelled NAMBLA— the first U.S.-based organization to be a member[14]—as well as Vereniging Martijn and Project Truth,[19] because they were judged to be "groups whose predominant aim is to support or promote pedophilia".[citation needed] Although ILGA removed NAMBLA, the UN reversed its decision to grant ILGA special consultative status. Repeated attempts by ILGA to regain special status with the UN succeeded in 2006.[20]

            Partially in response to the NAMBLA situation,[19] Gregory King of the Human Rights Campaign later said, "NAMBLA is not a gay organization ... they are not part of our community and we thoroughly reject their efforts to insinuate that pedophilia is an issue related to gay and lesbian civil rights".[21] NAMBLA said, "man/boy love is by definition homosexual", that "the Western homosexual tradition from Socrates to Wilde to Gide ... [and] many non Western homo sexualities from New Guinea and Persia to the Zulu and the Japanese" were formed by pederasty, that "man/boy lovers are part of the gay movement and central to gay history and culture", and that "homosexuals denying that it is 'not gay' to be attracted to adolescent boys are just as ludicrous as heterosexuals saying it's 'not heterosexual' to be attracted to adolescent girls".[21]
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              How bout stopping the false accusations that I claim that all homosexuals are secret pedophiles.
              Then why your ongoing attempts to associate ILGA with NAMBLA, when it’s an issue that was resolved 23 years ago. ILGA expelled NAMBLA from its organisation? What is your point in continually claiming ILGA was OK with NAMBLA until they wanted UN approval? What are you insinuating? That LGBT's are OK with pedophillia, even though its official position for decades has been that "Major power imbalances create the potential for child abuse. ILGA condemns the exploitative use of power differences to coerce others into sexual relationships".

              But let's look at some more history on the NAMBLA / ILGA controversy.
              Why? What point are you trying to make?
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • And then of course there is one Professor Gary Dowsett - one of the founders of the "Safe Schools" (anti-bullying) project, and heading up the "Australian research centre for sex, health and society" - an advocate of Paederasty.
                And of course, there is Roz Ward, co-ordinator of the safe schools programme, who said

                “I not only teach people how to be gay, I teach them how to be gay and communist, so invite me to your school if you will.”

                The people referred to being in their early teens.
                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                Scripture before Tradition:
                but that won't prevent others from
                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                  It refutes the Evangelical argument against homosexuality that it is particularly linked to pedophilia. Homosexuality is no more linked to pedophilia than is heterosexuality.
                  Except it does not. Girls would be victims of pedophilia from heterosexual males and homosexual females, and boys would be victims of pedophilia from homosexual males and heterosexual females. Because both of these categories involve a combination of homosexuality and heterosexuality, it means absolutely nothing in regards to homosexuality compared to heterosexuality because they are not being actually compared.

                  So, again:
                  "At most, that would say that the combined number of homosexual male and heterosexual female pedophiles is less than the combined number of heterosexual male and homosexual female pedophiles. That, however, says nothing whatsoever in regards to the frequency of pedophilia among homosexuals versus heterosexuals."

                  If you have direct data regarding the frequency pedophilia from homosexuals compared to heterosexuals, that could be used to support your argument. But the gender of those molested says nothing on the subject.

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                  • Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                    If you have direct data regarding the frequency pedophilia from homosexuals compared to heterosexuals, that could be used to support your argument. But the gender of those molested says nothing on the subject.
                    Facts about Homosexuality and Child Molestation. Prof. Gregory Herek, Ph.D. Social Psychology, UC Davis, 1983 http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/people/gmherek

                    Conclusion: "The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated on children".

                    http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbo...lestation.html
                    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                    • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                      How about addressing the issue rather than pushing the Evangelical propaganda that homosexuals are all secret pedophiles.
                      Do you actually think that you are accomplishing anything by cobbling together a raggedy strawman and then indignantly flailing at it?

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                        Then why your ongoing attempts to associate ILGA with NAMBLA,
                        I'm proving with actual citations that there was, indeed, an association, and it was terminated due to political expediency.

                        when it’s an issue that was resolved 23 years ago.
                        I question the sincerity and permanence of the resolution.

                        ILGA expelled NAMBLA from its organisation?
                        Only after it became a political liability for them, and after 10 years of togetherness. It took them THAT LONG to figure out that pedophilia was a bad thing?

                        What is your point in continually claiming ILGA was OK with NAMBLA until they wanted UN approval?
                        Those are the facts, Jack, and I have presented citations supporting them.

                        What are you insinuating?
                        That I prefer truth over drama. You outta try it.

                        That LGBT's are OK with pedophillia, even though its official position for decades has been that "Major power imbalances create the potential for child abuse. ILGA condemns the exploitative use of power differences to coerce others into sexual relationships".
                        Just trying to get you to accept the truth, Tassy. There most certainly was a connection, and there are other sources, as well.

                        Why? What point are you trying to make?
                        It does not surprise me at all that this would be lost on you, as you are blinded by your extremist left views and prejudices.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          It does not surprise me at all that this would be lost on you, as you are blinded by your extremist left views and prejudices.
                          He asked you a question CP. Telling Tass that he is lost or blinded by his views doesn't answer the question he asked you. The point you are trying to make would seem to be that LGBT people are evil and that the Organization that supports them is evidence of that fact. Is that the point you are trying to make? If not what is your point?

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                          • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            He asked you a question CP. Telling Tass that he is lost or blinded by his views doesn't answer the question he asked you. The point you are trying to make would seem to be that LGBT people are evil and that the Organization that supports them is evidence of that fact.
                            Wow

                            Is that the point you are trying to make?
                            No.

                            Is that the point you are trying to make?
                            It's actually quite simple. Rogue has been trying to explain it also. I'll pretend you're genuinely interested, and not just "being Jimmy".

                            Just like I cannot prove that there is still a link between ILGA and NAMBLA, Tassy cannot prove that there is not.

                            The fact is that, at one time, and for a DECADE, they were, indeed, linked.

                            The departure was not, apparently, a sudden realization on ILGA's part that NAMBLA should not be in bed with them (pun not intended), but by all accounts, was due to the fact that outside pressure necessitated a separation.

                            Those are the facts, and they are not in dispute.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              Wow



                              No.



                              It's actually quite simple. Rogue has been trying to explain it also. I'll pretend you're genuinely interested, and not just "being Jimmy".

                              Just like I cannot prove that there is still a link between ILGA and NAMBLA, Tassy cannot prove that there is not.

                              The fact is that, at one time, and for a DECADE, they were, indeed, linked.

                              The departure was not, apparently, a sudden realization on ILGA's part that NAMBLA should not be in bed with them (pun not intended), but by all accounts, was due to the fact that outside pressure necessitated a separation.

                              Those are the facts, and they are not in dispute.


                              The reason that IGLA suddenly decided to kick them out, after a ten year long close relationship, had nothing whatsoever to do with an epiphany where they realized that pedophilia was wrong, but rather because if they didn't they wouldn't gain recognition from the U.N. and the respect that comes with it. So they made a political choice to cut NAMBLA loose and denounce their until then close allies.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post


                                The reason that IGLA suddenly decided to kick them out, after a ten year long close relationship, had nothing whatsoever to do with an epiphany where they realized that pedophilia was wrong, but rather because if they didn't they wouldn't gain recognition from the U.N. and the respect that comes with it. So they made a political choice to cut NAMBLA loose and denounce their until then close allies.
                                Those are the facts. Given those facts, their expulsion of NAMBLA is suspect. Also the fact that only 88% of the membership reportedly voted for expulsion. Apparently 12% were opposed. Why wasn't it 100%, and why wait until it was demanded from outside?
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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