Harvey Weinstein: Another Good Liberal...

[Cow Poke]

Well if the only way Tassy can "win" a debate is by burning a strawman, you can expect a freaking bonfire from him.

"Infiltrated"

Sheeeesh!

[Cow Poke]

There ISN’T any public statement by ILGA endorsing pedophilia but there are several public statements explicitly rejecting pedophilia.

Yes, three pedophile groups infiltrated ILGA....

I think I posted this before, but here we go again...

NAMBLA has been a member of the International Lesbian and Gay
Association for 10 years. We've been continuously active in ILGA longer
than any other US organization. NAMBLA delegates to ILGA helped write
ILGA's constitution, its official positions on the sexual rights of
youth, and its stands against sexual coercion and corporal punishment.
We are proud of our contributions in making ILGA a stronger voice for the
international gay and lesbian movement and for sexual justice.

And their version of ILGA's record, with respect to the public statements against pedophilia...

The ILGA secretariats' statement contradicts the positions
ILGA has adopted over the course of a decade, and greatly distorts
NAMBLA's platform.

ILGA's current positions on man/boy love and pedophilia are
explicit:

-- In 1985, ILGA adopted a position on "Age of Consent/Paedophilia/
Children's Rights" that urged member organizations to "lobby their
governments to abolish the age of consent law" so long as there is
"adequate protection for youth from being sexually abused without
the age of consent law."

-- In 1986, ILGA adopted a position that says the group "supports
the right of young people to sexual and social self-determination."

-- In 1988, ILGA declared "this conference recognizes that existing
same-sex age-of-consent laws often operate to oppress and not to
protect; that in many countries, existing laws on sexual coercion
and rules of evidence also often operate to oppress and not to
protect; that therefore member organizations are urged to consider
how best children, adolescents, and people of all ages can be
empowered and supported against both sexual coercion and sexual
oppression and to work towards that end."

-- In 1990, ILGA "calls on all members to treat all sexual
minorities with respect and to engage in constructive dialogue
with them. In another position adopted that year, ILGA declared
that it "supports the right of every individual, regardless of
age, to explore and develop her or his sexuality."

So much for your "infiltration" hooey. (or do you think they're lying?)

[Tassman]

What's wrong with your head? I have never claimed ILGA endorsed pedophilia. It is without question, though, that they allowed groups who did.

All three pedophile groups were expelled from ILGA and rules were put in place to ensure no future admission of similar groups. What more do you suggest they do, self immolate?

Yeah, well, maybe it's like your buddy Hillary who promotes a public policy and a private policy that conflict.

More like YOUR buddy's Trump and Moore, they’re the ones with accusations of child molestation against them.

Check this out - NAMBLA's website states that it is a political, civil rights, and educational organization whose goal is to end "the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships".

Do you buy THAT? And they don't publicly state that they support pedophilia. Are they lying?

Whose interested in NAMBLA’s website, we all know what it stands for? And it’s NOT what ILGA stands for.

Now YOU check this out: “NAMBLA was expelled in ‘94 and a series of amendments were voted by ILGA members to ensure groups condoning paedophilia would not be able to become members of the federation. Our federation has not had any such group since 94.”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrent...-about-nambla/

INFILTRATED?!?!?! Now THERE is SPIN!!!!! What a totally ignorant and misleading statement.

No spin! “Hans Hjerpekjon, secretary-general of the Brussels-based ILGA, said NAMBLA joined the association about 15 years ago [this is dated 1994], when it was a loose network with no rules for admission”.

You're back to the "gays and lesbians are really stupid people" argument.

No, YOU’RE back to the "gays and lesbians can be conflated with pedophilia” line...which is clearly the entire point of your ranting. “This is an old trick" said Julie Dorf, executive director of the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, a member of ILGA.

This is the only point of your meaningless spin. There is no other possible reason, i.e. homophobic bigotry.

And THERE is spin.... ILGA allowed NAMBLA to join, there was no "infiltration". THAT is spin.

See above.

Yes, it took EXTERNAL pressure to make ILGA expel NAMBA. We agree on that.

Partly. Hjerpekjon said ILGA has been concerned about its association with NAMBLA since the late 1980s and has urged the group to resign. In 1990, at the behest of member organizations from Scandinavia, Australia and New Zealand, ILGA adopted a resolution denouncing pedophilia, he said. So your argument that ILGA wanted NAMBLA within its organisation is not supported by facts...despite your homophobic attempts to closely link ILGA and NAMBLA.

More spin. What do you expect him to say - "well, yeah, we allowed them in, but now we have a different position?" OF COURSE he's going to put the best spin on it.

And you're going to put the worst spin on it. WHY? Oh, I know, you are trying to conflate gays and lesbians with pedophilia...the old evangelical trick to make people hate homosexuals. THat's what all this is about, isn't it?

[Darth Executor]

All three pedophile groups were expelled from ILGA and rules were put in place to ensure no future admission of similar groups. What more do you suggest they do, self immolate?

It's not about telling them what they should do, it's about pointing out that homosexual activism and pedophilia go hand in hand. What they should do is disband and stop trying to normalize degeneracy.

[Cow Poke]

All three pedophile groups were

accepted by ILGA allowed to be part of ILGA for a DECADE until ILGA was called out on it, and threw them under the bus for political expediency.

[Sparko]

All three pedophile groups were expelled from ILGA and rules were put in place to ensure no future admission of similar groups. What more do you suggest they do, self immolate?



More like YOUR buddy's Trump and Moore, they’re the ones with accusations of child molestation against them.



Whose interested in NAMBLA’s website, we all know what it stands for? And it’s NOT what ILGA stands for.

Now YOU check this out: “NAMBLA was expelled in ‘94 and a series of amendments were voted by ILGA members to ensure groups condoning paedophilia would not be able to become members of the federation. Our federation has not had any such group since 94.”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrent...-about-nambla/



No spin! “Hans Hjerpekjon, secretary-general of the Brussels-based ILGA, said NAMBLA joined the association about 15 years ago [this is dated 1994], when it was a loose network with no rules for admission”.



No, YOU’RE back to the "gays and lesbians can be conflated with pedophilia” line...which is clearly the entire point of your ranting. “This is an old trick" said Julie Dorf, executive director of the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, a member of ILGA.

This is the only point of your meaningless spin. There is no other possible reason, i.e. homophobic bigotry.



See above.



Partly. Hjerpekjon said ILGA has been concerned about its association with NAMBLA since the late 1980s and has urged the group to resign. In 1990, at the behest of member organizations from Scandinavia, Australia and New Zealand, ILGA adopted a resolution denouncing pedophilia, he said. So your argument that ILGA wanted NAMBLA within its organisation is not supported by facts...despite your homophobic attempts to closely link ILGA and NAMBLA.



And you're going to put the worst spin on it. WHY? Oh, I know, you are trying to conflate gays and lesbians with pedophilia...the old evangelical trick to make people hate homosexuals. THat's what all this is about, isn't it?

Methinks thou protestest too much.

[Cow Poke]

Methinks thou protestest too much.

Yeah, ya gotta wonder.

[rogue06]

All three pedophile groups were expelled from ILGA and rules were put in place to ensure no future admission of similar groups. What more do you suggest they do, self immolate?

Maybe, just maybe now, perhaps they might actually finally disown the position in the Gay Rights Platform at the 1972 National Coalition of Gay Organizations Convention which calls for "Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent" (#7 of actions to be taken at the state level).

Somehow I figure that you will find away to excuse their not doing so at some point over the past 45 years.

[Cow Poke]

Maybe, just maybe now, perhaps they might actually finally disown the position in the Gay Rights Platform at the 1972 National Coalition of Gay Organizations Convention which calls for "Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent" (#7 of actions to be taken at the state level).

Somehow I figure that you will find away to excuse their not doing so at some point over the past 45 years.

Well, since Tassy and Jimmy seem to think gays and lesbians are too stupid to know what NAMBLA was... or let them in because of poor vetting processes... or weren't sure what a "boy" was... or.... those durn sneaky perverts INFILTRATED ILGA... or....

what's the current spin?

FACT is, NAMBLA has been with ILGA pretty much since the beginning, helped them write their constitution, and were ONLY thrown overboard when they were outed by Jesse Helms.

BUT.... Tassy will probably tumble in and spin again.

[Zymologist]

Well, since Tassy and Jimmy seem to think gays and lesbians are too stupid to know what NAMBLA was... or let them in because of poor vetting processes... or weren't sure what a "boy" was... or.... those durn sneaky perverts INFILTRATED ILGA... or....

what's the current spin?

FACT is, NAMBLA has been with ILGA pretty much since the beginning, helped them write their constitution, and were ONLY thrown overboard when they were outed by Jesse Helms.

BUT.... Tassy will probably tumble in and spin again.

I can honestly say that I never expected anybody to use the defense JimL did in this thread: that the word "boy" was just too ambiguous in the context NAMBLA uses it. He definitely surprised me there.

[Cow Poke]

I can honestly say that I never expected anybody to use the defense JimL did in this thread: that the word "boy" was just too ambiguous in the context NAMBLA uses it. He definitely surprised me there.

Yeah, at first, I thought he goofed, then he kept doubling down. He must think gays and lesbians are REALLY REALLY stupid people.

[Cerebrum123]

Yeah, at first, I thought he goofed, then he kept doubling down. He must think gays and lesbians are REALLY REALLY stupid people.

He seems to think most people are dumber than he is, and given his past posts that is definitely saying something.

[Cow Poke]

He seems to think most people are dumber than he is, and given his past posts that is definitely saying something.

I just love it when he calls me dumb, and thinks he has proven to everybody how dumb I really am.

(HUSH, Rogue!)

[rogue06]

I just love it when he calls me dumb, and thinks he has proven to everybody how dumb I really am.

(HUSH, Rogue!)

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You just wanna suck all the joy outta my life

[Tassman]

accepted by ILGA allowed to be part of ILGA for a DECADE until ILGA was called out on it, and threw them under the bus for political expediency.

This is a gross oversimplification of what occurred as has been explained umpteen times. The only possible motivation is your dishonest and inaccurate attempt to conflate gays and lesbians with pedophilia so as to further your evangelical agenda.

The bottom line is that “NAMBLA was expelled from ILGA in ‘94 and a series of amendments were voted by ILGA members to ensure groups condoning pedophilia would not be able to become members of the federation. ILGA has not had any such group, nor any association with such groups, since then.