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[rogue06]

Sigh!

Whatever connections (such as they were) NAMBLA may once have had with the LGBT movement, it doesn't have them now. And there are no grounds whatsoever for your previous "suspicion" that given half a chance NAMBLA will be welcomed back into its embrace.



https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7...ened-to-nambla

And there is NO suggestion that they will be resumed.

The "sudden notoriety" was a result of IGLA at having first receiving consultative status with the United Nations and then having it revoked after their close decade long working relationship with NAMBLA was revealed. Only then did IGLA throw them under the bus or, as The Advocate (the nation's oldest and largest gay rights magazine) describes it, "revoking NAMBLA's ten-year membership in the worldwide group."

And let's not keep ignoring the fact that the 1972 Gay Rights Platform, created at the National Coalition of Gay Organizations Convention (represented by some 200 gay rights groups ) which was held in Chicago of that year, specifically called for "Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent" (#7 of actions to be taken at the state level). To the best of my knowledge, none of the organizations involved or their successors have ever repudiated this platform including the call to eliminate an age of consent -- and that speaks volumes.

[JimL]

The dirty secret is that they're still connected, they just keep the connection on the down-low for the sake of expediency.

And you know this how?

[JimL]

But you do admit, however, that despite the so-called "Evangelical narrative", that NAMBLA was at one point connected to the LGBT movement, correct? And relatively recently at that...right?

And so your point is what? That since NAMBLA was at one time somehow connected to ILGA, therefore the rights of the LGBT community should be denied, or what?

[rogue06]

And so your point is what? That since NAMBLA was at one time somehow connected to ILGA, therefore the rights of the LGBT community should be denied, or what?

I think you are projecting your motive for dismissing the fact that they used to be closely allied. You are afraid that if it were common knowledge that it would adversely effect "the rights of the LGBT community" so you pretend that they didn't exist. Cover ups always make things better, correct?

[Mountain Man]

And you know this how?

Read the stuff rogue06 has repeatedly posted. The homosexual community distanced themselves from their pedophile counterparts not because of moral conviction but because of public pressure. I guarantee that they will openly embrace them again once they think they can get away with it. Remember, it was just a short decade ago that nobody ever thought homosexuals would make the inroads they have, and pedophiles are eager to follow the trail that has been blazed.

[Cow Poke]

The relevant point...

In other words, "I don't have the guts to give you a straight answer".

[JimL]

I think you are projecting your motive for dismissing the fact that they used to be closely allied. You are afraid that if it were common knowledge that it would adversely effect "the rights of the LGBT community" so you pretend that they didn't exist. Cover ups always make things better, correct?

Well your thinking is wrong. I'm not afraid of whatever their connection might have been in the past, but the past is the past, and it has nothing to do with the LGBT community now unless you have an agenda against homosexual people in general. Do you?

[Tassman]

The dirty secret is that they're still connected, they just keep the connection on the down-low for the sake of expediency.

Not that you have any evidence for this, but it fits your narrative to associate pedophilia with homosexuality, so it must be true.

[Tassman]

I think you are projecting your motive for dismissing the fact that they used to be closely allied. You are afraid that if it were common knowledge that it would adversely effect "the rights of the LGBT community" so you pretend that they didn't exist.

They were never closely allied. ILGA comprises a loosely knit member organization comprising some 400 national LGBT groups in many different countries, of which NAMBLA was just one group and which was subsequently expelled.

IGLA has never advocated on behalf of pedophilia, despite the dishonest attempts of Evangelicals to link the two for religious/political propaganda purposes. It exists to achieve equal rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans and intersex (LGBT) people, NOT pedophiles.

http://ilga.org/about-us/

Cover ups always make things better, correct?

Tell that to Donald Trump.

[Darth Executor]

The relevant point, despite the dishonest Evangelical narrative so the contrary, is that most adults of whatever sexual orientation despise adults who have sex with kids.

or they pretend to do so in public to avoid further bad publicity anyway

[Tassman]

or they pretend to do so in public to avoid further bad publicity anyway

Pedophile victims are both male and female, i.e. the perpetrators are both heterosexuals and homosexuals. And, just as heterosexuals abhor pedophile behaviour so do homosexuals. Your attempt to link homosexuality with pedophilia is no more valid than trying to link heterosexuality with pedophilia.

[Mountain Man]

Not that you have any evidence for this, but it fits your narrative to associate pedophilia with homosexuality, so it must be true.

I find it interesting that instead of trying to refute rogie06's lengthy post proving all of this, you guys just flat out ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist.

[Cow Poke]

Pedophile victims are both male and female, i.e. the perpetrators are both heterosexuals and homosexuals. And, just as heterosexuals abhor pedophile behaviour so do homosexuals. Your attempt to link homosexuality with pedophilia is no more valid than trying to link heterosexuality with pedophilia.

How bout actually responding to Rogue's post on this, instead of empty yammer?

[rogue06]

They were never closely allied.

Noooo. Not at all

Which explains why so many prominent gays were so outraged when IGLA threw them under the bus.

Which explains why David Thorstad, the founder of NAMBLA, was invited to be the keynote speaker at the gay rights parade right before he was suddenly disinvited.

Which explains why NAMBLA was invited to several other gay rights parades even after they were disinvited from the one in 1979.

Which explains why the 1972 Gay Rights Platform specifically called for "Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent."

Which explains why in the 80s the gay community quickly rallied around and supported the bookstore that was selling a book called How to Have Sex With Kids which included instructions on how to both entice and kidnap small children, how to have sex with them, and even how to intimidate and threaten them into silence.

[Cow Poke]

Noooo. Not at all

Which explains why so many prominent gays were so outraged when IGLA threw them under the bus.

Which explains why David Thorstad, the founder of NAMBLA, was invited to be the keynote speaker at the gay rights parade right before he was suddenly disinvited.

Which explains why NAMBLA was invited to several other gay rights parades even after they were disinvited from the one in 1979.

Which explains why the 1972 Gay Rights Platform specifically called for "Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent."

Which explains why in the 80s the gay community quickly rallied around and supported the bookstore that was selling a book called How to Have Sex With Kids which included instructions on how to both entice and kidnap small children, how to have sex with them, and even how to intimidate and threaten them into silence.

It is incredibly unfair, and possibly inhumane, to try to torture Tassy with those fact thingies when his mind is already made up.