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[Tassman]

NAMBLA was an integral part of ILGA . Look at CP's post #671.

The bottom line is clear and straightforward, namely that in 1990 ILGA adopted its official position: "Major power imbalances create the potential for child abuse. ILGA condemns the exploitative use of power differences to coerce others into sexual relationships"some heterosexuals are pedophiles...in fact the majority of pedophile victims are female, not male.

They had their hands in virtually everything. And the strong negative reaction by many prominent gay's at the time to NAMBLA being given the boot reveals that this isn't "cynical motives" but what happened.

[Cow Poke]

The bottom line is clear and straightforward

Yes, ILGA was ok with NAMBLA until they wanted UN approval, then they threw NAMBLA under the bus.

End of story.

[Terraceth]

some heterosexuals are pedophiles...in fact the majority of pedophile victims are female, not male.

What in the world does the majority of pedophile victims being female rather than male have to do with the subject? At most, that would say that the combined number of homosexual male and heterosexual female pedophiles is less than the combined number of heterosexual male and homosexual female pedophiles. That, however, says nothing whatsoever in regards to the frequency of pedophilia among homosexuals versus heterosexuals.

[Tassman]

Yes, ILGA was ok with NAMBLA until they wanted UN approval, then they threw NAMBLA under the bus.

End of story.

What in the world does the majority of pedophile victims being female rather than male have to do with the subject? .

It refutes the Evangelical argument against homosexuality that it is particularly linked to pedophilia. Homosexuality is no more linked to pedophilia than is heterosexuality.

[Cow Poke]

How about addressing the issue rather than pushing the Evangelical propaganda that homosexuals are all secret pedophiles.

How bout stopping the false accusations that I claim that all homosexuals are secret pedophiles. That is childish and dishonest. And I HAVE been addressing the issue, but you can't seem to grasp that.

You really need to separate yourself from the Alt-Left, Tassy - they are destroying your mind.

But let's look at some more history on the NAMBLA / ILGA controversy....

ILGA controversyNAMBLA's membership of ILGA drew heavy criticism and caused the suspension of ILGA.

[Tassman]

How bout stopping the false accusations that I claim that all homosexuals are secret pedophiles.

"Major power imbalances create the potential for child abuse. ILGA condemns the exploitative use of power differences to coerce others into sexual relationships".

But let's look at some more history on the NAMBLA / ILGA controversy.

Why? What point are you trying to make?

[tabibito]

[Terraceth]

It refutes the Evangelical argument against homosexuality that it is particularly linked to pedophilia. Homosexuality is no more linked to pedophilia than is heterosexuality.

Except it does not. Girls would be victims of pedophilia from heterosexual males and homosexual females, and boys would be victims of pedophilia from homosexual males and heterosexual females. Because both of these categories involve a combination of homosexuality and heterosexuality, it means absolutely nothing in regards to homosexuality compared to heterosexuality because they are not being actually compared.

So, again:
"At most, that would say that the combined number of homosexual male and heterosexual female pedophiles is less than the combined number of heterosexual male and homosexual female pedophiles. That, however, says nothing whatsoever in regards to the frequency of pedophilia among homosexuals versus heterosexuals."

If you have direct data regarding the frequency pedophilia from homosexuals compared to heterosexuals, that could be used to support your argument. But the gender of those molested says nothing on the subject.

[Tassman]

If you have direct data regarding the frequency pedophilia from homosexuals compared to heterosexuals, that could be used to support your argument. But the gender of those molested says nothing on the subject.

Facts about Homosexuality and Child Molestation. Prof. Gregory Herek, Ph.D. Social Psychology, UC Davis, 1983 http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/people/gmherek

Conclusion: "The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated on children".

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbo...lestation.html

[rogue06]

How about addressing the issue rather than pushing the Evangelical propaganda that homosexuals are all secret pedophiles.

Do you actually think that you are accomplishing anything by cobbling together a raggedy strawman and then indignantly flailing at it?

[Cow Poke]

Then why your ongoing attempts to associate ILGA with NAMBLA,

I'm proving with actual citations that there was, indeed, an association, and it was terminated due to political expediency.

I question the sincerity and permanence of the resolution.

ILGA expelled NAMBLA from its organisation?

Only after it became a political liability for them, and after 10 years of togetherness. It took them THAT LONG to figure out that pedophilia was a bad thing?

What is your point in continually claiming ILGA was OK with NAMBLA until they wanted UN approval?

Those are the facts, Jack, and I have presented citations supporting them.

What are you insinuating?

That I prefer truth over drama. You outta try it.

That LGBT's are OK with pedophillia, even though its official position for decades has been that "Major power imbalances create the potential for child abuse. ILGA condemns the exploitative use of power differences to coerce others into sexual relationships".

Just trying to get you to accept the truth, Tassy. There most certainly was a connection, and there are other sources, as well.

Why? What point are you trying to make?

It does not surprise me at all that this would be lost on you, as you are blinded by your extremist left views and prejudices.

[JimL]

It does not surprise me at all that this would be lost on you, as you are blinded by your extremist left views and prejudices.

He asked you a question CP. Telling Tass that he is lost or blinded by his views doesn't answer the question he asked you. The point you are trying to make would seem to be that LGBT people are evil and that the Organization that supports them is evidence of that fact. Is that the point you are trying to make? If not what is your point?

[Cow Poke]

He asked you a question CP. Telling Tass that he is lost or blinded by his views doesn't answer the question he asked you. The point you are trying to make would seem to be that LGBT people are evil and that the Organization that supports them is evidence of that fact.

Wow

Is that the point you are trying to make?

No.

Is that the point you are trying to make?

It's actually quite simple. Rogue has been trying to explain it also. I'll pretend you're genuinely interested, and not just "being Jimmy".

Just like I cannot prove that there is still a link between ILGA and NAMBLA, Tassy cannot prove that there is not.

The fact is that, at one time, and for a DECADE, they were, indeed, linked.

The departure was not, apparently, a sudden realization on ILGA's part that NAMBLA should not be in bed with them (pun not intended), but by all accounts, was due to the fact that outside pressure necessitated a separation.

Those are the facts, and they are not in dispute.

[rogue06]

Wow



No.



It's actually quite simple. Rogue has been trying to explain it also. I'll pretend you're genuinely interested, and not just "being Jimmy".

Just like I cannot prove that there is still a link between ILGA and NAMBLA, Tassy cannot prove that there is not.

The fact is that, at one time, and for a DECADE, they were, indeed, linked.

The departure was not, apparently, a sudden realization on ILGA's part that NAMBLA should not be in bed with them (pun not intended), but by all accounts, was due to the fact that outside pressure necessitated a separation.

Those are the facts, and they are not in dispute.

The reason that IGLA suddenly decided to kick them out, after a ten year long close relationship, had nothing whatsoever to do with an epiphany where they realized that pedophilia was wrong, but rather because if they didn't they wouldn't gain recognition from the U.N. and the respect that comes with it. So they made a political choice to cut NAMBLA loose and denounce their until then close allies.

[Cow Poke]

The reason that IGLA suddenly decided to kick them out, after a ten year long close relationship, had nothing whatsoever to do with an epiphany where they realized that pedophilia was wrong, but rather because if they didn't they wouldn't gain recognition from the U.N. and the respect that comes with it. So they made a political choice to cut NAMBLA loose and denounce their until then close allies.

Those are the facts. Given those facts, their expulsion of NAMBLA is suspect. Also the fact that only 88% of the membership reportedly voted for expulsion. Apparently 12% were opposed. Why wasn't it 100%, and why wait until it was demanded from outside?