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  • Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
    So...how many times have you called all of the conservatives and Christians on this site sociopaths, evil, murderers, "worse than pedophiles," etc.?
    Possibly somewhere between one dozen and two dozen over the years in the course of hundreds of conversations. I don't really keep count.

    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    So then, you don't believe in free speech for everyone. Good to know.
    You say that as if you 'got me'...? I think free speech is a nuanced issue as I've said repeatedly before. I think it's essential in a democracy that people are able to say negative things about the current government. That is the type of "free speech" that I think matters. But speech between two citizens is a totally different matter - e.g. sexual harassment, slander etc. I think the government has a normal duty of care to protect citizens from other citizens if serious harm is being done via speech just as it does other sorts of serious harm done (assault, rape etc).

    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I think this is by far one of the biggest hypocrisies of the liberal mindset --- "we want open dialogue, free thought, free speech --- but you shut up, you wretched homophobe!"
    I would say it is one of the biggest disagreements currently among liberals. One of my favorite US political commentators is a free speech absolutist and he regularly annoys me by going on spiels about how free speech allows people to say anything and how the ACLU once defended the KKK's right to have a march through a black neighborhood and how that's great. And I'm like, no, it's not great, they shouldn't have done that, there should be hate-speech laws.

    However, I am not surprised if it is too difficult for you to understand that not all liberals are in agreement on this subject and hence there are two different positions that different liberals hold.
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      However, I am not surprised if it is too difficult for you to understand that not all liberals are in agreement on this subject and hence there are two different positions that different liberals hold.
      I'm just glad all liberals don't agree with you on murdering small children. And I'll bet there are more than TWO different positions on free speech among liberals.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Actually, an unintended consequence of this little exercise is revealing what a truly hateful and judgmental anti-Christian bigot you are.

        I'm calmly posting facts, and you're making all kinds of false allegations and jumping to wacky conclusions.
        Him and Starlight you mean.

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          I'm just glad all liberals don't agree with you on murdering small children.
          You make it sound like I generally prefer small children to be murdered and sometimes go on serial murder sprees.

          And I'll bet there are more than TWO different positions on free speech among liberals.
          Hmm, well on hate-speech laws it's most a dichotomy of support hate-speech laws vs reject them and prefer absolute free speech. Not that it matters in the US, because SCOTUS has been vigorously overinterpreting the first amendment to the max in the past several decades so there's no way that hate-speech laws would survive a SCOTUS review, so there's no point in Americans even having the discussion about them.

          I guess you could identify different 3 liberal positions on the current fad of arguing over college campus speakers:
          1. The college should pay thousands of dollars to invited conservative speakers and then spend thousands more on security to make sure they can speak, because there is great value in ensuring conservative ideas have a speech platform in order to be heard.
          2. Student groups can invite whomever they feel like and protest whomever they feel like, and whatever happens happens, and it's zero concern of the college administration who should stay out of it.
          3. The college should reject hateful speakers with horrible ideas that are upsetting to a significant proportion of their students.

          I would say I am mostly (2) with a little bit of (3), and would say that students do as students do and that's part of being a student but that the college administration does have some level of duty of care for the well-being of their students but should be careful of not poking their nose in too far. And I am anti-(1) because I think any college that pays thousands of dollars to wacko conservatives to have them say crazy things is wasting their money and doing a disservice to their students.
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            As to why CP and others have been going on for pages and pages about this:
            Because you're all homophobes: It's not like that hasn't been made abundantly clear in other discussions in other threads over the years. If you think your little game of "well CP didn't say anything homophobic in this thread, he just spent 50 pages arguing facts because someone was wrong on the internet and he couldn't let it go, he had zero ulterior motive" is convincing anyone, guess again.

            Rogue and MM are two of the most open about it and seem to enjoy pushing their crazed NAMBLA connection thesis that they seem to think means gay people in the present day secretly wish to promote pedophilia. And the rest of you deplorables variously amen their disgusting posts or do cover for them by going 50 pages arguing 'just the facts' about connections between NAMBLA and gay groups. You're all complicit and you're all disgusting, and it's all part of your ongoing opposition to gay rights and gay people being accepted in society. And for that reason I think you're all much worse than the pedophiles you're trying to connect gay people to, because you guys are trying to harm millions of gay people, whereas at least a pedophile only harms the few people they victimize.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              Because you're all homophobes...
              Yeah, that must be it

              Just like any and all criticism of Obama and/or his policies was nothing more than racism.

              Just like any and all criticism of Hillary and/or her policy proposals was nothing more than sexism.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                Because you're all homophobes: It's not like that hasn't been made abundantly clear in other discussions in other threads over the years. If you think your little game of "well CP didn't say anything homophobic in this thread, he just spent 50 pages arguing facts because someone was wrong on the internet and he couldn't let it go, he had zero ulterior motive" is convincing anyone, guess again.

                Rogue and MM are two of the most open about it and seem to enjoy pushing their crazed NAMBLA connection thesis that they seem to think means gay people in the present day secretly wish to promote pedophilia. And the rest of you deplorables variously amen their disgusting posts or do cover for them by going 50 pages arguing 'just the facts' about connections between NAMBLA and gay groups. You're all complicit and you're all disgusting, and it's all part of your ongoing opposition to gay rights and gay people being accepted in society. And for that reason I think you're all much worse than the pedophiles you're trying to connect gay people to, because you guys are trying to harm millions of gay people, whereas at least a pedophile only harms the few people they victimize.
                Or, you could let people tell you why they do things and take their word for it.
                I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Because you're all homophobes:...
                  This is such a gutless cowardly thing to say... you'd never say that to my face in real life. It's just goofy liberal hysteria. WANNNNNHHHHHH, everybody's a bunch of homophobes!!!!! That doesn't work here.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                    Dude, suggesting Adrift spends too much time psychoanalysing people and that the extreme extent to which he does it gets in the way, isn't the same thing as saying "never be at all suspicious of anyone's motives, and gullibly and naively accept everything they tell you at face value". There's a happy middle ground. Suggesting Adrift has a personal problem with overdoing it doesn't mean I am never allowed to do it. I was well aware of this thread when I wrote that post, and was wondering when I wrote it if any idiots would think they'd "got me" by citing it.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      This is such a gutless cowardly thing to say... you'd never say that to my face in real life.
                      Why not? Would you shoot me?
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        You make it sound like I generally prefer small children to be murdered and sometimes go on serial murder sprees.
                        Actually, I said no such thing. Is this a therapeutic confession on your part?

                        Hmm, well on hate-speech laws ... .
                        It's just a cowardly attempt to shut down conversation.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Why not? Would you shoot me?
                          You're not worth the bullet.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            Dude, suggesting Adrift spends too much time psychoanalysing people and that the extreme extent to which he does it gets in the way, isn't the same thing as saying "never be at all suspicious of anyone's motives, and gullibly and naively accept everything they tell you at face value". There's a happy middle ground. Suggesting Adrift has a personal problem with overdoing it doesn't mean I am never allowed to do it. I was well aware of this thread when I wrote that post, and was wondering when I wrote it if any idiots would think they'd "got me" by citing it.
                            Translation: It's perfectly OK when Tassman or I do it, but when Adrift does it, it's hate speech!
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              Dude, suggesting Adrift spends too much time psychoanalysing people and that the extreme extent to which he does it gets in the way, isn't the same thing as saying "never be at all suspicious of anyone's motives, and gullibly and naively accept everything they tell you at face value". There's a happy middle ground. Suggesting Adrift has a problem with overdoing it doesn't mean I am never allowed to do it. I was well aware of this thread when I wrote that post, and was wondering when I wrote it if any idiots would think they'd "got me" by citing it.
                              I didn't say "never be at all suspicious of anyone's motives, and gullibly and naively accept everything they tell you at face value." (Yay mega-hyperbole!) But you're happy to question motives on here on a regular basis. I asked you how many times you call conservatives on here sociopaths, etc. because you do it frequently.
                              I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                Just like any and all criticism of Obama and/or his policies was nothing more than racism.
                                I think that was a very very very very very significant part of it. In my external observer view, I think his race rubbed a lot of Americans the wrong way much more than they like to admit.

                                Just like any and all criticism of Hillary and/or her policy proposals was nothing more than sexism.
                                I think the amount of sexism in politics is actually very small and rapidly decreasing, and had a very minimal effect in Hillary's case.
                                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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