Harvey Weinstein: Another Good Liberal...

[CMD]

"Bob" rapes a small child.
"Frank" says some negative things about homosexuals on a small internet forum.

Only in Starlight World is "Frank" the more disgusting of the two.

[Starlight]

Sadly CP is a pastor and his spreading of his hateful views is not limited to small internet forums.

I grant that comparing small harms done to a large number of people vs a large harm done to a small number of people can be an interesting moral issue worthy of discussion in and of itself.

Unfortunately with gay rights issues, historically at least we have seen large harms done to a large number of people by virtue of the use of law against them having sex and against them marrying. The seriousness of this widespread civil rights violation can hardly be overstated, affecting, as it did, millions of people, and violating basic human rights and freedoms. IMO we should regard people who supported and advocated for those massive civil rights violations on par with other people in history who supported and advocated for massive civil rights violations, e.g. those who supported slavery or apartheid. CP's crimes, IMO, are not limited to "he repeatedly slandered a massive group of people around the world in stuff he wrote on a small internet forum", but sadly he has willfully and openly supported stripping millions of people of basic human rights.

[Tassman]

And, having lost the debate, Tassman descends to all he's got left, revealing his real self.

There was no debate to lose, merely unsubstantiated innuendos from you with the intention of demonising homosexuals.

[Darth Executor]

Sadly CP is a pastor and his spreading of his hateful views is not limited to small internet forums.

I grant that comparing small harms done to a large number of people vs a large harm done to a small number of people can be an interesting moral issue worthy of discussion in and of itself.

Unfortunately with gay rights issues, historically at least we have seen large harms done to a large number of people by virtue of the use of law against them having sex and against them marrying. The seriousness of this widespread civil rights violation can hardly be overstated, affecting, as it did, millions of people, and violating basic human rights and freedoms. IMO we should regard people who supported and advocated for those massive civil rights violations on par with other people in history who supported and advocated for massive civil rights violations, e.g. those who supported slavery or apartheid. CP's crimes, IMO, are not limited to "he repeatedly slandered a massive group of people around the world in stuff he wrote on a small internet forum", but sadly he has willfully and openly supported stripping millions of people of basic human rights.

gays are a very small number of people and normalizing homosexuality so people are unaware of the damage they do does far more harm than you could possibly do even if you treated all gays as lepers

[Starlight]

There was no debate to lose, merely unsubstantiated innuendos from you with the intention of demonising homosexuals.

Agreed.

But also I see the bizarre thought among conservatives here that if they can prove whatever particular thesis they're pushing to be 'true', then they are somehow not guilty of demonizing homosexuals.

"Your honor, it's true I was publicly demonizing homosexuals, but you see the statements I was making were true <insert complicated logic here>. Therefore I'm not guilty of publicly demonizing homosexuals!"

The thought process seems to be that if they can 'prove' some complex hypothesis about something some people in the 70s did, then they are justified or reasonable to demonize millions of people in the present day who had nothing to do with it.

It's like responding to an allegation of sexual harassment with "but it's true that you're beautiful, so when I make a nuisance of myself telling you 100 times in public that you're beautiful, it can't be sexual harassment, because it's true, QED, checkmate!" They don't seem to understand that the truth or falsity of their crazy historical theories about connections between historical groups isn't actually relevant to the question of whether they are publicly demonizing gay people in the present day.

[demi-conservative]

To be fair though, I would regard CP as being a substantially worse and less moral person than the average pedophile.

Let me guess! You are type of person who can write for Salon 'there are virtuous pedophiles, stop hating them!!!!' articles.

[Cow Poke]

CP's repeated statements in the thread linking gay people to NAMBLA would constitute hate speech and be illegal and be punishable by law in many countries, including Canada which one of the TWeb owners lives in.

It is amusing how conservatives here can go for pages and pages of dishonest drivel, slandering an entire generation of gay people in the present, due to their complex and ridiculous reconstructions of what a past generation of gay people might or might not have tolerated, yet they throw a baby-like tantrum at one mention of the fact that the group in the present most associated with pedophilia in the public eye is actually religious leaders.

Unfortunately the negative speech and actions of conservatives harm many gay people, as their careless hate-speech has serious psychological effects, and their consistent advocacy against marriage rights for gay people do a lot of harm. For this reason I consider CP's prolific hate speech and anti-gay stances a much worse crime than pedophilia as it harms an entire group of people rather than just a few.

This from an advocate of killing children.

[Cow Poke]

Sadly CP is a pastor and his spreading of his hateful views is not limited to small internet forums.

What "hateful views" have I spread? All you're getting it Tassman's dishonest and inaccurate projection of my "views".

[Cow Poke]

There was no debate to lose, merely unsubstantiated innuendos from you with the intention of demonising homosexuals.

What a steaming pile of horsie poo.

[JimL]

gays are a very small number of people and normalizing homosexuality so people are unaware of the damage they do does far more harm than you could possibly do even if you treated all gays as lepers

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[Starlight]

What "hateful views" have I spread?

Pretty much everything you've ever written about homosexuality on this site. In this thread alone you've gone pages and pages and pages trying to connect homosexuality and pedophilia in order to attempt to smear gay people in general via attempting to identify a historical connection between particular gay people and pedophilia. And then you turn around and "what me? Demonize gay people en masse by associating them with pedophilia? Ok, sure I did, but it's true! How is that hateful?" Duh?

[Cow Poke]

Pretty much everything you've ever written about homosexuality on this site.

You mean, quoting ver batim from gay/lesbian sites?

In this thread alone you've gone pages and pages and pages trying to connect homosexuality and pedophilia

Actually, I have proven that ILGA and NAMBLA were in a partnership for 10 years, and mostly from gay/lesbian sites. The partnership was not severed until it became a liability for ILGA to continue the relationship. Those are facts.

in order to attempt to smear gay people in general via attempting to identify a historical connection between particular gay people and pedophilia.

Actually, that's an outright lie.

And then you turn around and "what me? Demonize gay people en masse by associating them with pedophilia? Ok, sure I did, but it's true! How is that hateful?" Duh?

Actually, Tassman is the one who keeps extending my remarks beyond what I said. I simply proved the connection.

Why does this rattle your cage so much? Why is simply posting historical fact making you so hysterical?

[Cow Poke]

There was no debate to lose, merely unsubstantiated innuendos from you with the intention of demonising homosexuals.

Congratulations, Tassman... you have the support of the JimL who has defended NAMBLA, and Starlight who defends the murder of children. You should be very proud that you're in such esteemed company.

[Starlight]

Why does this rattle your cage so much? Why is simply posting historical fact making you so hysterical?

I'm the hysterical one?

You post pages, and pages, and pages, and pages, and pages, and pages, and pages...
...and pages going on and on and on and on and on about NAMBLA.

Because apparently you just can't stop trying to demonize gay people by connecting them to pedophilia and spreading hate speech against them. What you have been doing is illegal in many Western countries, and as I've made clear I consider it to be really seriously immoral.

And then when I do my very first post in the thread and suggest maybe your really repetitive posting on the subject is trying to distract from the recent prominent pedophilia of Christian priests and pastors, which is a lot more recent than the NAMBLA garbage and a lot more evidenced, you guys all utterly lose your minds and go completely hysterical.

[RumTumTugger]

Pretty much everything you've ever written about homosexuality on this site. In this thread alone you've gone pages and pages and pages trying to connect homosexuality and pedophilia in order to attempt to smear gay people in general via attempting to identify a historical connection between particular gay people and pedophilia. And then you turn around and "what me? Demonize gay people en masse by associating them with pedophilia? Ok, sure I did, but it's true! How is that hateful?" Duh?

Translation: CP holds a different view then I do and I'm afraid of views that are not mine that have better arguments I must stop this. Better falsely accuse him of being hateful so that others won't see that I haven't been able to give an answer to any of the well thought out points he's made.

To bad for Starlight the only folks who will accept his false narrative are those who already hold to his world view. The others on this forum know that CP does not have a hateful bone in his body. In fact the more Starlight posts on this forum the more he shows who the true hater is and it is not any of his opponents