The next liberal outrage

[Darth Executor]

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[rogue06]

Is cutting someone's ears off (for stealing IIRC) really worse than adultery? Or slavery? God had the death penalty instituted for the latter.

Cutting someone's ears off for theft isn't as bad as cutting their hand off as is still done in some parts of the Muslim world

[Roy]

... this guy who never even set foot on the mainland ...

Wikipedia is wrong again???

[Sparko]

Is cutting someone's ears off (for stealing IIRC) really worse than adultery? Or slavery? God had the death penalty instituted for the latter.

Peter did it.

[Sparko]

Wikipedia is wrong again???

is it?

[Roy]

is it?

It must be. The alternative is unthinkable.

[Adrift]

The guy actually cut noses and ears off of natives, including for personal slights, and actually was even arrested when he returned to Europe before the king got around to pardoning him. That deserves to be condemned, not dismissed as "liberal agitation".

(And, no, we probably shouldn't be celebrating the serial adulterer Martin Luther King Jr. either.)

This occurred for more than stealing; one extant document reveals that Columbus congratulated his brother for cutting out the tongue of one woman who suggested Columbus was of ignoble birth. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...07/books.spain

I don't think the death penalty issue is decisive. At least some of the Mosaic laws appeared occasional in nature. Given that these sorts of actions were likely not an issue in Israel at the time the laws were given, it should come as no surprise there's nothing about them.

For a little context, Columbus was under arrest for only 6 weeks before he was released and all his property given back to him, and while he no doubt was responsible for some terrible treatment of the natives (as well as some of his fellow Europeans), a lot of the rumors of that treatment were exaggerations by Columbus' political enemies, or by clergy like Bartolome de las Casas, who would exaggerate claims so his readers at home would sympathize with the native plight. The natives themselves weren't wholly the noble savages that we sometimes imagine they were either. So, for instance, the Arawak people that Columbus came into contact with were known to have committed human sacrifices, torture of their enemies, and cannibalism.

[Adrift]

To be fair, liberals have been agitating over this since at least 1992, when there was all sorts of angst over commemorating the 500th anniversary of his initial trip.

It goes way back before that. The KKK had it out for Columbus back in the 1920s because of their hatred for Italian Americans. They, instead, wanted to see a commemoration of Leif Erickson who more easily associated with their white pride politics.

[Sparko]

Yeah, Columbus is kind of an Italian-American cultural icon. The Italians are proud of having one of their own having discovered this country. It is ethnic pride. Which is why Columbus Day is so big in New York City. So why aren't the liberals being culturally-sensitive to the Italians?

Besides, I wouldn't want to piss off the mafia. Just sayin.

[Adrift]

Yeah, Columbus is kind of an Italian-American cultural icon. The Italians are proud of having one of their own having discovered this country. It is ethnic pride. Which is why Columbus Day is so big in New York City. So why aren't the liberals being culturally-sensitive to the Italians?

Besides, I wouldn't want to piss off the mafia. Just sayin.

There are more liberals than just those who live in New York, and even there, they're not all Italian.

[Sparko]

There are more liberals than just those who live in New York, and even there, they're not all Italian.

Yeah but liberals are supposed to be culturally sensitive. Here they are not. And since most New Yorkers are liberals and there are a ton of Italians there, they are basically dividing themselves again. The democratic party seems to be splintering themselves with all of this "alt-left" nonsense.

[Adrift]

Yeah but liberals are supposed to be culturally sensitive. Here they are not. And since most New Yorkers are liberals and there are a ton of Italians there, they are basically dividing themselves again. The democratic party seems to be splintering themselves with all of this "alt-left" nonsense.

Could be that Italians are so culturally ingrained now that it's not really looked at that way unless you come from an Italian neighborhood.

[Sparko]

Could be that Italians are so culturally ingrained now that it's not really looked at that way unless you come from an Italian neighborhood.

no actually it's in the news that they are defending Columbus Day and angry at the protests.

Italian-Americans fight movement to abolish Columbus Day
http://nypost.com/2017/10/09/italian...-columbus-day/

Italian-American leaders defend Christopher Columbus statue after de Blasio pushes monument commission
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.3439897

Italian-Americans boycott Mayor de Blasio's reception at Gracie Mansion
http://abc7ny.com/politics/italian-a...ption/2494775/

[Cow Poke]

Could be that Italians are so culturally ingrained now that it's not really looked at that way unless you come from an Italian neighborhood.

My best friend married an Italian gal, and I was his best man at the wedding, so I got immersed in Italian Culture in Baltimore for a whole week for the wedding ---- YOWZA!!!!!! Do THEY have an IDENTITY!!!!!

[Sparko]